Vipul Bindra: 0:04

doeran, thank you. Thank you for taking the time out of your you know schedule and I know very busy schedule and coming and seeing me and uh, and it's great to just catch up with you yeah, definitely.

Doron Cadiente: 0:14

I'm super, super happy to be here.

Vipul Bindra: 0:16

It's awesome that you're, you know, putting this on and I know I've been talking about I've said this so many times on this podcast, but I've been wanting to do this for you know, so many years because we've had so many talks right, we've had coffees and stuff, and I feel like this is just that, while just we're recording it, just because I feel like obviously we're going to catch up anyway and have this conversation but might as well have other people listen for entertainment or whatever and gets maybe some value out of it. I know I like listening to podcasts when I'm like driving or flying and I'd rather listen to people who think like me, because I'm assuming the audience here is more you know filmmaker or want to be a filmmaker or a successful filmmaker. So anyway, let's, let's get into it. So what have you been up to? It's been a few. No, it's been a while since we got up. I haven't seen you at any of the filmmaker meetups or anywhere. So where have you been?

Doron Cadiente: 1:05

yeah, yeah, well, you know, uh, in our conversations I, I'm, you know, I'm currently in nursing school right now, uh, so I've been super busy with that lately. I'm just trying to grind, grind that out so that way I can focus more of my time on on video which is so crazy.

Vipul Bindra: 1:20

You know, your, your, your fields are so, so stark difference. And we have obviously talked about nursing school so much. But you're doing nursing school, which does take a lot of your time, and then you do video as well. How do you even manage time?

Doron Cadiente: 1:36

Well, it's pretty difficult, I'm not going to lie. So I also work night shift at the hospital as well. So that's from 7 pm to 7 am. So in the midst of you know, doing nursing school, working night shift and then also doing video on the side, it's definitely a hustle.

Doron Cadiente: 1:55

I wouldn't recommend it to anybody but, in my particular situation, I just felt like I'm a type of person that really likes security you know, I'm a type of person that really likes security, you know and I'm not saying you know to not take risks at all, but definitely you know, secure something in your life so that way you have something to fall back on with, whatever it is, and that's just kind of how I've.

Vipul Bindra: 2:17

No, that's very safe, and we obviously had this conversation I remember a couple of years ago, I believe, and when you were contemplating you know, know all of this and uh, I'm glad, I think the decision you took is good to do both. Obviously it's difficult, but but you're, you're obviously managing, you're almost there. The thing I want to know is it's very, very varied interest. Obviously, video and nursing is very different.

Doron Cadiente: 2:38

Yeah, so tell me, tell me the connection, if there is any yeah, well, well, honestly, I feel like I feel like nursing just kind of, you know, came to me. I, in high school they had a CNA program there that I took part in and I was like you know what? This would be a perfect opportunity, you know, right out of high school have a job, you know, a decent paying job for what it was, and that's kind of what led me into that path. And then, you know, I've been in and out of other jobs as well. But, yeah, I think it was about six years ago I took a trip to the Philippines with my family and I had been watching some travel videos on YouTube and I was like you know what I bought my first camera. It was a Sony a 6,500 and, um, yeah, I brought that with me. You know, shot some stuff Wasn't the best stuff, obviously, but yeah, from then on I kind of just looked for other opportunities to, you know, use that camera and, um, that brought me to California.

Doron Cadiente: 3:40

I met somebody out there that was already, you know, uh, head deep in their business as well. So I, you know, rubbed shoulders with them, I did some you know gigs with them, and then I came back here to Florida, you know, started to make more connections and you know I kind of just kept on to nursing and to video and you know the goal is, once I graduate, to use nursing as a supplement to the video thing which is so awesome, by the way, also just stop, and and you said a lot in there that we need to touch up, but, but we got time, so I'll start back to nursing, though, and it's not.

Vipul Bindra: 4:16

it's not common, right? Um, for male nurses, that's already your, your, uh, I guess I don't know, doing something that's not common for male nursing, isn't that correct?

Doron Cadiente: 4:30

Yeah, yeah, you don't really. I mean, when I go to work, it's mainly females there.

Vipul Bindra: 4:38

I mean, is that a good thing?

Doron Cadiente: 4:43

I mean, no, it's definitely a female. You know there's a lot of females that work there, but I don't know. I feel like it's a good place to work.

Vipul Bindra: 4:53

Maybe, let's convert a filmmaker. What would you say?

Doron Cadiente: 4:55

Is it worth?

Vipul Bindra: 4:56

it. Is it worth it or no?

Doron Cadiente: 4:57

I mean man, if you can make plenty of money off of film. I would say stick to that, okay.

Vipul Bindra: 5:03

All right.

Doron Cadiente: 5:04

So don't, don't, don't leave your passion yet, exactly exactly um, but definitely, if you're wanting something with you know, like I said before, if you're wanting something that's secure, um, you know, I mean, I think healthcare is a oh yeah, it's not going anywhere, yeah I don't know when people would stop being sick.

Vipul Bindra: 5:22

I don't think ever, uh, I mean, unless we become robots but that's that's another scenario.

Vipul Bindra: 5:27

But yes, you're absolutely right. Health care is, I think, one of the most safest, secure jobs you can find, and exactly that's why I want to go back to a couple years. So here's the conversation I remember. I remember you reaching out as meaning for coffee and I remember you thinking um, you know, if you wanted to do both, or pick one or the other, tell me, tell me what was going through and I know it's been a while, obviously what was going through your head and why did you end up picking the decision that you did now to do both? And you know, divide your time.

Doron Cadiente: 5:57

Yeah, well, I think at that time I yeah, I hadn't started nursing school yet and I was I was really thinking about you know, because it was getting to the time for me to start. And you know I I don't know, I just I just really wanted to make sure I made the right decision. You know I'm I really really take a lot of time, and you know, trying to figure out my life and you know what's the best for me, and you know I, you know, trying to figure out my life and you know what's the best for me, and you know.

Doron Cadiente: 6:26

I, you know I believe in God, like I'm God driven, and you know I spent a lot of time praying about it too. And it's only two years, two years of nursing school. You know, only two years of time to.

Vipul Bindra: 6:37

you know sacrifice and you're very young, so you, you know you have time.

Doron Cadiente: 6:39

Yeah, yeah, I'm 27,. Turned 28 this month and you know I was like, you know what? I have no education under my belt. You know why don't I just sacrifice the two years? And that doesn't mean I can't make you know lasting friendships. You know connections.

Vipul Bindra: 6:54

You know you and I you know we still, yeah, we worked on projects. Yeah, exactly. So you helped me literally in 2024 on a project. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 7:02

So so you know what I was just like, you know what. Let me just, let me just sacrifice the time and then, uh, you know if I can, there will be times throughout nursing school that.

Doron Cadiente: 7:12

I can pick up the occasional job which I have been able to do, um, which, honestly, has been a blessing because, you know, there's still people that want, want to work with me and, um, and I'm still making connections with, you know, future clients, which has been another blessing. So, yeah, that's kind of what was going through my head, um, and I definitely didn't want to let you know video go, you know.

Vipul Bindra: 7:35

So I wanted to try to keep each occupation in in in place, so you think the decision was right.

Doron Cadiente: 7:42

I think so and I think I think when I graduate, I'll be able to see. I'll be able to see. You know the reasonings behind that you know come come into place. But um, yeah, I think so far it's, it's been working out.

Vipul Bindra: 7:54

So your goal is as of right now and obviously things can change his life, but it's to pursue both. You want to have video business and you're going to do nursing and try to manage your time, like you have been the last few years.

Doron Cadiente: 8:06

Yeah, yeah, I think definitely I would have to change some things just to make, cause I definitely want video to be superior over everything else, um, and just use kind of nursing, as you know, the, the, the backup, uh, so if it is, you know, doing part-time, uh, as a nurse, I think you know that would be great, but definitely, definitely video, because I've seen, just to be honest, like I've seen video, as you know, more lucrative pursuit.

Vipul Bindra: 8:35

I'm sure.

Doron Cadiente: 8:37

Yeah, yeah, definitely, and it's definitely. You know, there's a lot more freedom you know, working for myself. I'm not having to you know clock, know clock in. You know, I can clock in when I want to, I can make my own schedule. Um, and I'm not having to, you know, lean on someone else to to give me money. Yeah, I can make my own money exactly you get.

Vipul Bindra: 8:55

You get to be your own boss, exactly. I mean, technically, we have bosses, but they're limited time bosses, right, when you get the client right, once you deliver, you're done, unless it's a retainer client, definitely. Uh, so that's awesome, man. I love that the spark is still here and you're continuing to progress with both and, uh, you're happy about it. I don't remember what advice I gave you. I hope it wasn't the wrong one. I remember us having a long conversation, so I don't remember what I said?

Vipul Bindra: 9:20

yeah, exactly I just hope it was. Uh, it was that's'd picked, yeah. I will say at least that's what it was. So now that obviously we're here, you're almost, you're what one semester left One semester. Yeah, almost there, almost there. And then what are you going to do? You're going to register your video business like an LLC or whatever, and do you think you already have clients, since you've been building up to it, you know?

Doron Cadiente: 9:47

Yeah, well, honestly, I'm. I'm not, as I'm not as experienced as most other people in their video business, which, again, you know, I'm grateful for the people that I know because I can always, you know, reach out to people like you. You know, if I do have questions about, you know, the video business and you know they'd be willing to, to help me out.

Vipul Bindra: 10:06

But, um, definitely yeah, yeah, of course, we have done that already, yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 10:10

Yeah, of course, absolutely, and, and yeah, I think, uh, you know I was thinking about that before coming here. You know, definitely this year. Um, I want to see if I can, you know, register as an LLC. Um, I'm not niched yet in any particular thing.

Doron Cadiente: 10:24

Uh, which you know, I I'm trying to get my feet wet and you know many different aspects of video, uh, but yeah, I do have you know some some weddings, uh, lined up wedding connections, um, and some other. You know corporate type, uh video clients as well. It's just a matter of you know making that time to be able to meet with them and to actually shoot. Yeah, so, and again, you know the, you know nursing school and night shift have kind of you know made that not possible right now but hopefully in the foreseeable future?

Vipul Bindra: 10:59

Yeah, but you have been able to find. I still remember it was mid last year, whatever. I still remember I needed you as a cam up. I reached out and I said hey, this is what I need.

Vipul Bindra: 11:07

I mean you to bring in f which is rare for me to ask equipment but I was like I need you to bring an fx6 and this lens or whatever it was and and you're gonna operate in a camera. For me it's like got it, you came, you killed it, like always, and so it was great. I mean, that was awesome and, uh, you were able to somehow find time for that, so that was pretty good yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 11:26

Yeah, you know, you know in some of those gigs that when, when people ask me to come help them out, it's, it's typically, you know, like the night before Well. Well, the day of I get off of shift at like 7 am and then I'm crashing for like three hours and then, I wake up and then I head over to the gig.

Doron Cadiente: 11:42

And then I wake up and then I head over to the gig. I know that gig that we did with Adam once to help him out. I think, yeah, it was at 7 am. I had gotten off and then I got my stuff together and I went over to his gig.

Vipul Bindra: 11:57

That was so cool because I remember him reaching out and I was like, yeah, I would love to come help out, of course. And then it's like, oh, doran's going to be there. I was like, yeah, I would love to come help out, of course, you know why. When then it's like, oh, doran's gonna be there, oh, I was like, yeah, that's good. Then then we got it, because I know we can, we can make it happen, but I can't imagine how exhausted you would have been, but we couldn't tell.

Vipul Bindra: 12:12

And that's what matters. Right, you, you're able to push through, which I mean a lot of video people. We can have long days, so the main thing is that you're able to push through. You're able to, you know, make, not let the crew around. You know they or you know you're basically going down, um, so that's pretty good. Same thing on my gig, at least. I don't know how tired you were. We couldn't tell you which is which is the key. Right, you came in like I say, uh, you were friendly, which, like you always are, and you know, we recorded the, the content that we wanted to. We got cool shots, we made great images.

Vipul Bindra: 12:42

You know we laughed, we had fun. I mean, that's what it's about, right? I don't know how's your experience? Do you remember any of that shoot?

Doron Cadiente: 12:48

because that's the most recent one that I remember yeah, you know, I think, uh, right, um, yeah, I think that was a little little bit ago, um, I don't know. Just to just to kind of go back to what you were saying, I feel like, I feel like mindset is a big thing when, especially, you know, I had typically, when I get off shift, uh, you know, I am, I'm pretty pretty tired. I mean, that's 12 hours overnight, you know your body's not used to hospital in a hospital, you know, and anything can happen in the hospital, right?

Doron Cadiente: 13:21

um, but yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with, like the, the intention behind the decision that you make, right? So you know, going into that, I already knew I wanted to be there. It wasn't like anybody was forcing me to be there. I didn't have to go.

Vipul Bindra: 13:38

Yeah, of course.

Doron Cadiente: 13:38

You know, um, but you know, I knew, by going, it would be not only benefit to me but, you know, benefit to you benefit to Adam and anybody else there, and you know I've learned a lot from that. I mean, like you know, I know, I know you brought some gear with you as well.

Doron Cadiente: 13:54

And you know I, I learned a few things there. You know, I learned, learned a few things about. You know lighting and you know how to use different cameras, um cameras and just like how production is actually run by professionals you know, and I have been on a few gigs, you know Thank you for considering this professional for me. Because I haven't been on you know a ton of different sets.

Doron Cadiente: 14:18

You know I've been on a handful but it's cool to see you know people that I look up to yeah uh in action and and actually you mean adam right, um, and, and you know, actually getting work done, yeah, but a bit to be real, I mean, with just my sets.

Vipul Bindra: 14:34

I can think of the variety of corporate and commercial sets you've been on. So you, that set that you're just mentioning was a scripted you know. Uh, so I would call it more like commercialist, yeah. And then you've been on event shoots with me. Yeah, then you have been on, um, you know, live productions with me the one, that last one, that we did, and then on top that, you've done the typical bread and butter interview and b-roll shoot with me. That was just you and me, yeah. So, so you've done enough variety. I feel like that, you, you should feel like what, what do you feel? Do you've done enough variety? I feel like that you should feel like what do you feel? Do you feel confident?

Doron Cadiente: 15:06

enough. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I feel like you know, I feel like everyone's a student in this game you know, you're always a student, You're always learning something new. So you know, I like to say that I feel like I know you know a decent amount, but I definitely don't know everything.

Vipul Bindra: 15:19

Which of these was your favorite, or you would say at least the most you enjoyed type of shoot, I'm saying, not the specific shoot.

Doron Cadiente: 15:25

And you know what, like doing my own stuff as well. I've really come to love interviews. I love interviews.

Vipul Bindra: 15:31

That's good, because you make a lot of money if you can figure out.

Doron Cadiente: 15:34

Oh man, I love it, Just like the setup. The setup's typically pretty quick, but just like getting to know the other person and asking them questions. I feel like that's to me. That's kind of like the center of why I do what I do, you know relationships.

Vipul Bindra: 15:49

Exactly. Do you remember the one we did? Yeah, for one of my really awesome clients, don, and that was a very good interview that we pulled together and the B-roll on it too. You killed it, and what I loved about it was there was a challenge, so I was in mid-transition, so I went from Canon to full Sony. And I still remember I had C70s as my A and B cam, but I had an FX3 as the gimbal cam so completely different way of working.

Vipul Bindra: 16:16

I guess I mean the cameras are similar, but you know what I mean, the menus are different, so you managed obviously both of them and you got some great shots out of it, so that was a very fun shoot.

Doron Cadiente: 16:27

I mean, I think we got to lit it.

Vipul Bindra: 16:28

It was a big room too for just the two of us to be lighting it, yeah, so we lit the whole room, we lit the interview and then, obviously, we did b-roll after. And again, huge spaces, because she was an event organizer, so we needed to do, you know, bigger spaces, which is not normal for corporate stuff. You're stuck in tiny offices. So how was that experience? Do you remember any of that?

Doron Cadiente: 16:48

Yeah, you know, I think, yeah, it was kind of a big, kind of a big spot to light.

Vipul Bindra: 16:55

Yeah, especially for corporate.

Doron Cadiente: 16:57

I'm saying typically it's a tiny office, right, yeah, and I think you're using this light right here. Yeah, yeah, this is using this light right here yeah, probably.

Vipul Bindra: 17:02

Yes, this is my my go-to light 600x for light dome 150. For anyone wondering what that is.

Doron Cadiente: 17:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but um, overall, I think it was um for me. For me it was. It was a good experience. I, I, uh, I think you were the one asking the questions and you know I was manning both cameras, um, but I like how you were very um, you kind of stood back and let things run. You know, aside from the asking the questions. You're like hey, doran, can you go do this? And of course you know, yeah, I'll do that, you know.

Vipul Bindra: 17:35

And then you kind of just let me do my thing, yeah, and I feel like I like throwing people and, and I and some people may not like my style, but that is my style. I like to just throw people into it and see what, how they react, what they do, and most people I find and tell me if I'm wrong will pull through because you wouldn't be in this industry if you weren't willing to learn and you know and do it most time you just don't have access to a light like that big or the dome that big, whatever, but it's the same as a small dome.

Vipul Bindra: 18:02

So if I'm just like, hey, doron, can you set the light dome 150 and put the 600x on? And I'm pretty sure you could figure it out. But I'm also curious, can you?

Doron Cadiente: 18:10

figure it out exactly so yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 18:11

So no, I'm so glad you didn't mind that, because but that is my style, because I don't want to baby you. To me that's more condescending, where I'm like let me show you. So you do this, you do this, and you come on. I mean, whether you know it or not, I don't know. To me, I'd rather wait for you to come and say, hey, I did this, but I don't know how to do this, and that's okay, obviously, that's.

Doron Cadiente: 18:30

Yeah, but anyway.

Vipul Bindra: 18:32

so yeah, no, I definitely did that, yes.

Doron Cadiente: 18:34

No, no, I, and I appreciate that honestly, because that's literally the only way for me at least in my experience for me to learn.

Vipul Bindra: 18:41

Like you just gotta. You just gotta throw me in there, and you know yeah, and these are real life situations. We don't have five hours to light.

Doron Cadiente: 18:48

We had what 30, 40 minutes, something like that the typical time, so you have to also get it done, and get it done fast, yeah, and I and I think from that shoot, I remember, you know, there was something I think it was a stand that I hadn't used before and I didn't know how to, and I felt silly. Honestly, I felt silly that I couldn't really I couldn't open the stand, but I was like you know what, let me just ask him.

Vipul Bindra: 19:10

Let me, just because, the longer I wait to ask him, you know the longer we are, you know, setting up so yeah, I just asked you.

Doron Cadiente: 19:16

You know you were kind about it. You know I set it up and you know now I know how to set it up for a future reference. You know Perfect.

Vipul Bindra: 19:22

So that's good. So I was. I wasn't condescending.

Doron Cadiente: 19:26

No, no, it was good, no, and that's what I tell people.

Vipul Bindra: 19:29

Look here, here's the thing. The best way to learn uh, in my opinion, you come to four shoots with me. You can learn more than any college degree in filmmaking. The truth is it's different what you do in real life than what you learn in school. Not saying school's bad, I don't want to discount that but what I'm saying is but the only way you're going to learn is by being in it, and I'm I'm totally cool with people knowing some things and not knowing something. That's okay, especially corporate. That's there. We're a little less laid back like we're more laid back than like a movie set or whatever the.

Vipul Bindra: 19:59

The main thing for me is just and you don't do this, but I'm saying anyone listening just don't like, if you don't know something, just don't start saying in front of a client, because then to us that looks amateur. Right, and you didn't do that. Obviously it's okay to go to the other person like, hey, I don't know that, can you show? And I'm most people happy to show you, obviously. Why not? Because that's why we're here to learn and grow together. And as long as the client just doesn't think we're amateurs, right, because then it's like what? And obviously you've been very professional about it, which is why we worked together. So, yeah, just the key would be like make sure that the client doesn't know, but outside of that it's pretty cool. I mean, that's how you learn. I mean, I don't know, you can watch as many YouTube videos as you know, and it's not the same thing as the setting the stand yourself right yeah, I mean you could watch a video.

Vipul Bindra: 20:43

But until you lift a stand, you know you put it together it's. It's a whole different experience exactly, so I don't know.

Doron Cadiente: 20:49

I'm kind of curious. You know you're where you come from, like what was your um?

Vipul Bindra: 20:57

starting point, my starting point, oh, that's a good question. So, essentially, like I said, I've been, I've said this kind of before, but I am a. I'm a techie at heart, I'm a nerd, but you know what I mean. Like I just wanted to, like, literally growing up, you know, and now I can look back and obviously know I was into either video games, like playing PlayStation 2 as a kid, or watching Formula 1. That's all I did so anyway. So I wanted to just play with the latest tech and the best way I knew then this is then I was growing up in india there was a tech show on tv and I was like, well, you know, youtube wasn't that thing, wasn't even thing. So I was like, well, if, if I want to play with tech, I have to go be on that show. So I have to learn how to be a filmmaker. You know, this is your brain goes, and so, and plus, we were into video games.

Vipul Bindra: 21:40

So I would just get with friends, we would pick cameras. We had like those tape and dvd style cameras uh, it's crazy anyway and then we would just go out and make funny, you know, fun movies, and they were bad, they were terrible. Maybe some of them are still on youtube, but you know what I mean. But we were just going out having fun building things, you know, creating content, just talking about it, watching movies, you know what I mean. That that was my way of, um, I guess, getting into the art form. So I was doing it, I guess before it was cool, you know. Now obviously it's cool to be a filmmaker.

Vipul Bindra: 22:10

Then it wasn't my parents, like you know my mom's like why you got to be an engineer or a doctor.

Vipul Bindra: 22:15

You know something valuable and and I'm like, come on, that's not what I want to do. But she understood. So anytime to college I was like, okay, I'm going to do the closest thing I could at that time, which was journalism and mass communication, not really film, but they had a whole camera and photography and editing element to it. Um, but again, I had I'd been doing enough that I already knew more than again what they taught in that school yeah but it gave me an excuse to now play more with cameras and more with editing, more with um stuff anyway.

Vipul Bindra: 22:44

So that's where I came from. I just came from wanting to talk about tech. Funny enough, that will now look back. I could have just done that when YouTube came out. I could have just become a tech YouTuber. But obviously you know how much I was into YouTube and film. I just couldn't connect.

Vipul Bindra: 23:01

And, funny enough, I went to that tech show. I worked there as an intern there for a few months or whatever, and then when I went there I was like this is not what I want to do, because you know, you have to be in it. Like, here I am, I'm dreaming about doing something all my childhood, and now here I am, a young adult. You know, I don't know, I was 18 maybe. Point is, I was there and I'm like, uh, I'm not happy, this is not what I want to do. I want to be behind the camera, right? I'm like I want to produce these segments. I want to because you know, initially I was like, oh, I'm going to be a host on the show playing with tech, and then you quickly realize the hosts are just reading a script, right?

Vipul Bindra: 23:34

yeah, they're not the ones writing and playing with the tech or whatever anyway. So I was like, oh, I want to be behind the scenes and, long story short, I had disney opportunity here. I came, opened um, freelance on the side, and rest is history, if that makes sense. So I've all. So that's kind of what brought me into filmmaking, but I'm kind of self-taught. I did go to school, but I don't I don't want to give them any credit. I knew more about editing and cameras. Plus, they were teaching it from a news perspective. So you know, um, so it's funny, but funny, well, take that back, because we didn't have YouTube things. Then the only thing I remember learning from a whole degree that I didn't know was ND filters. So those cameras, you know broadcast cameras, they had built-in NDs.

Vipul Bindra: 24:19

You know like some cinema cameras nowadays. So I would ask my professors like why? Do I use ND and I could understand. You know again, you don't understand shallow depth of we've just been as friends making movies.

Vipul Bindra: 24:29

So I am not like a filmmaker and there's no YouTube, there's no tutorial. Well, there is YouTube, but there's no tutorials about filmmaking or anything. Point I'm trying to make is you have to learn all yourself. So I'm going like, okay, now I know how to make movies, I know how to operate cameras, I know how to tell a story. Why do I use an nd filter? So I still remember my professor chat. And then you know they're using the, the lingo of, not what I would teach now, anyone had nd, but anyway, that's the only thing I learned at school was why to use nd, to get the shallow depth of field. And then, once he taught me, I was like but why would you do that in news? You know, so my brain could, because you know news.

Vipul Bindra: 25:04

It's yeah, you don't really are creative right, so anyway but now that I know, but that's the only thing I think out of three, four years of college. I was nd filter, but obviously it was a good opportunity. It was, you know. Obviously I had to go to college, india, you know. It's not an opportunity like. They don't give you an option not to go to college. So I'm glad I didn't just sit around learning engineering or something that I just wasn't going to be interested in and again, I'm so glad the journey I've been on, that I was, that I'm here.

Vipul Bindra: 25:31

Obviously, I could have taken a lot of different paths. I could have been a newsreader you know journalism background. I could have been on that tech show. I could have started this company a lot earlier. Because, you know, that's the other part of me is like why didn't I go from freelance to full-time all in? Because I did that 2018, right and um. But now that I look back, I'm like no, I needed to. I needed to be on this journey because because I wouldn't have known all that, which is why a lot of people get amazed when I'm like no, I started this day three, we had 30 to 50k of sales and most people go whoa. But I'm like but remember, I struggled for years as a freelancer, so I kind of knew what not to do. Yeah, but you, if I had not known that and I started my company, let's say 2013 or whatever, or 2012 I wouldn't have known anything like what to charge, like how to do run business, then I would have still struggled and who knows what the story could have been.

Doron Cadiente: 26:25

Anyway, I hope that answers the question. Yeah, no, it definitely does. I got a follow-up question with that, like if you could change you know your path, like what would you have done differently man?

Vipul Bindra: 26:40

I don't think there's anything I could have done Because, like I said, I tried to do what is right, which is what I'm telling on this podcast.

Vipul Bindra: 26:47

People just reach out to people. Where you want to be right, I try to do that. I found all the people around me at the time and I try to reach out Because you know here's what you need to know, right? Because at that time, remember, youtube exists. There's ways to learn. If you don't have the skill set I thought I was already there most of the way to be able to tell a story, but if you don't, you can learn. What you're lacking is the business skills what to charge, what the deliverables are, how to execute the whole business side of things, which is far more essential than your craft.

Doron Cadiente: 27:20

Absolutely.

Vipul Bindra: 27:21

And there was no one, no one willing to help. There was a lot of gatekeeping and by the time I found people who were willing to share, it was years down the road and then I was like, oh, I'm already doing that, I just had to stumble my way through that. So, obviously, ideally, like I said, if I could go in the past, I'd like to know, have that knowledge up front. But, like I said, there was no one, at least around me. It's not like I didn't do the right thing, which was reach out, ask to have a cup of coffee and just share what we've done and other people have done.

Vipul Bindra: 27:52

It's just to talk. And then sometimes you learn or you're like oh, you're telling me, I've got to have a contractor, you're telling me, I've got to have contractors, I've got to go buy this equipment, or don't buy this equipment, or whatever. Whatever the case may be, it's to me again, business knowledge is the number one thing in corporate and commercial video that most people don't have Cause. Now I know how to like. I could tomorrow start from scratch and make six figure business right.

Doron Cadiente: 28:17

In video.

Vipul Bindra: 28:18

It's not that hard, it's actually very easy. Right Cause it's as long as you have the craft, obviously, and Right Because it's as long as you have the craft, obviously. And if you don't have the craft, just hire other people. You don't even need to know how to make a video, as long as you go tell the client right, oh, I'm going to solve this problem for you, and then you hire the person. Who can you still made?

Doron Cadiente: 28:33

money yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 28:34

You know I'm happy to be hired, please, you know, not that. That's the point.

Doron Cadiente: 28:49

I'm this podcast to hire me. But I'm saying you can hire me, I will gladly come make it. You can put your pricing on top of that and make that definitely. Yeah, anyway, I remember that there was a time that I had come across someone that, um, I guess they were trying to I forget what event there was some event going on and they needed, you know, some live streaming. And, uh, I remember I had reached out to you because I was like hey, listen, I listen. I don't do live streaming, but I know you do.

Vipul Bindra: 29:06

Yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 29:06

You know, and you were like, oh well, how about you? You know, you quote the price and then you have me on and make the difference. Yeah, exactly, it's up to you what you can sell it for, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 29:15

Now, obviously you don't have to, because I get it Like you said, it's OK. Who are just like I don't want anything to do with this, because most of the effort is sales. So they're like no, no, just take the lead, which is fine, but I'm saying ideally, that is one way to be a successful business owner.

Vipul Bindra: 29:30

And funny enough. That's the better way to make money, because you have zero investment. You just go find the clients you help solve their problems and you find other people who can solve that problem. And, to be real, I work with different crews all the time because, uh, I don't know if I'm working on a commercial set, I'm going to bring more of my friends or people I know that that are on commercial sets and then, or if I'm doing a corporate set, then I'll bring people who I know can do great on the corporate set.

Vipul Bindra: 29:53

The point I'm trying to make is it's it's good to have a variety of people in your network, but at the end of the day, it's also important to leverage them. Um, because the wrong way to do this would be to go oh, I can charge you five grand to make a video. Then either don't hire anyone, or hire somebody at, you know, free, or 50 bucks, or 100 bucks, or not, uh, for the shoot. And then they obviously are green, they're not there yet, which would be fine if the video is free. But now you charge a client five grand and they're not getting their roi and they're not happy about it. You've just made a bad experience, right? So there's a wrong way to do this too, but that right way. I'm just saying it's easy to make money. You don't even know how to need to know how to do video and I think, as artists and to be real, I'm a camera person first, business person after.

Vipul Bindra: 30:36

I love making films like I said that's how I started yeah so you know that hurts to say that, but that's truth. Like that, my value as a filmmaker is less than my value as a business owner.

Vipul Bindra: 30:47

I hope that makes sense. And it hurts and it may be a hard pill to swallow for some. The thing is, if you know, if, let's say you reach out to me, let's make a hypothetical You're like, well, I got this client live streaming client, I want you to come do it. And I'm like, oh, I'm busy or I can't do it, guess what. You can go in our group or other places and be like, okay, I'm looking for someone to help me with this and you can find other technicians and other companies to help you with, because they'll happily do it, because that's what they want to do. Right, versus? Now it's the opposite. Now you're like you have a $20,000 deal that you need to close. Can you go in and have someone close it for you? No, Especially if they're good enough to be able to close it, why are they going to do it for you?

Vipul Bindra: 31:24

Right, that skillset is far more valuable than the, the technical skillset, and we tend to hyper or over exaggerate our you know our talents that way, like the importance of our filmmaking talents. Now, that doesn't mean don't work on your craft. Obviously, you got to be able to make good videos and know at least what good videos are. Because even if you're hiring other people, you have to know how to be able to vet them Right. So, anyway, what I'm trying to say is business skills come above filmmaking skills, and skills in corporate and commercial video At least that's how I see it and it'll be very hard to, I think, find success if you're weighing filmmaking over business, at least in the field that we're talking about.

Doron Cadiente: 32:09

Definitely. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that wholeheartedly. Does that answer this what you kind of think?

Vipul Bindra: 32:14

No, definitely, and my whole thing is why I stumbled through. Like I said, I had to find this myself. It was just me, because all the people I was bringing were either helping with audio or lighting or editing or whatever right. I did build a crew immediately as soon as we were a production company. It wasn't me, it was us, right. But at the same time I was the business guy right.

Vipul Bindra: 32:36

I was the only one making executive decisions and I didn't have anyone to help me. I didn't have anyone to lean on, I didn't have a mentor. I couldn't just go, hey, what should I do now? And now, if I can save some or even help? I'm not saying just listen to me, listen to the people that I'm bringing on this podcast, but if you can just go do it like I've had people on here who have literally laid out exactly what to do, you know to find success then why wouldn't you do it At that? Find success then why wouldn't you do it at that point? It's no longer, oh, it can't be done. It's more like you want to do it or not, and it's okay if you don't. There's enough ways to make money in this.

Vipul Bindra: 33:13

You could just be a good dp and you know, uh, you don't have to be a production company obviously so there's ways to make money but there is a ceiling in those because you know it's day rate times 365.25. Right is here, and that's if you work every single day and that's hard to do anyway.

Doron Cadiente: 33:25

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 33:26

So obviously you have to pick. You know what you want. To be Definitely Awesome. That's awesome man.

Doron Cadiente: 33:31

No, I appreciate you. You know your insights on that.

Vipul Bindra: 33:38

Yeah, you know, I try, I try, I don't know. I don't know everything, man, Like you said, this is an ever evolving, ever growing industry. I'm learning every day and that's why people here I'm not learning. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to catch what doron learned in the last two years, which brings me to what I want to talk about. Yeah, you're the only guy I know who got high paying gigs from upwork, so obviously I've known for about upwork for a long time. You know, keep up with all the platforms out there. However, upwork for me has always been fine, cheap, international. You know, keep up with all the platforms out there, however, upwork for me has always been fine, cheap, international. You know, uh, again, not no offense to upward people, but that's just what upwork has been used for finding low-cost, international uh people and you somehow are closing decent paying gigs from upwork. So how did that happen? How did that work?

Doron Cadiente: 34:21

because that's an avenue somebody else may want to explore yeah, well, let me first by saying start first by saying that, like it's all relative, of course, Right, you know what someone might think. As you know, a good paying job, it might be different for someone else.

Vipul Bindra: 34:36

And.

Doron Cadiente: 34:36

I think honestly, especially if you're, you know, in my shoes, someone that's, you know, really just trying to find consistent work, I mean, take, take anything that comes your way or anything that you feel like you would, you know, uh, be a good addition to. And so, yeah, I, I, um, I was looking for other ways to, uh, you know, have more jobs right, uh, in video, uh, with the time that I had, and I felt like Upwork was a was a good um way to try that out. So, yeah, I, how Upwork works is they? They give you these things called connects. They're kind of like tokens and you obviously have to pay money to purchase more connects and these connects are what allow you to apply for different jobs. So I bought a handful of connects and I started to apply different jobs in the local area, so in Orlando, florida, and, yeah, I landed a couple of clients on there.

Vipul Bindra: 35:44

And what?

Doron Cadiente: 35:45

was the range, uh, in terms of like price.

Vipul Bindra: 35:48

Yeah, um, well, the first. That's what we were all about.

Doron Cadiente: 35:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah well, the first, uh, the one of the clients that I had, it was, I think it was like a in total uh, plus travel, it was probably like a four-hour shoot, uh, and it was it paid like a thousand dollars dude, you're just saying it paid just four four-hour shoot including travel. Thousand bucks that's pretty good yeah, yeah, and it was um, it was over here in.

Doron Cadiente: 36:13

Uh, I think it was jacksonville uh, and it was, it was an interview again, um, and, of course, a little bit of b-roll, but um, I didn't have to edit the footage. All I had to do was, you know, I shot the footage and delivered it to the client the same day. So it was definitely, in my eyes, it was a successful shoot and very, very easy.

Vipul Bindra: 36:37

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's our bread and butter. So I would have done it when I started. I mean $1,000 for interview and b-roll and, like you said, even travel, which is crazy, considering, you know, jacksonville isn't that close I mean it's not far either but so you went to jacksonville, you shot an interview, came home, made a thousand bucks yeah, in less than four hours not bad.

Doron Cadiente: 36:56

Yeah, and that's uh, yeah, that's cake I mean, I love that you know, and it's, it's did you have anything else like that?

Vipul Bindra: 37:02

Anything else.

Doron Cadiente: 37:03

I think the other gig that I got from there and I'm still keeping in contact with them as well they're kind of a repeat client hopefully, but it was like an apartment walkthrough and I guess that's kind of their model is that they need footage for different apartment complexes that hire them out, and so they hire people like us to come in there, shoot some footage of different floor plans, and then there might be somebody there at the apartment complex that introduces the place, and so you're pretty much just tracking them the entire day.

Vipul Bindra: 37:45

Um, but yeah, uh, I want to. I'm curious about that one, cause you typically I find real estate has lower budget. So let's see, that would be. I would call it real estate. So what was the budget on that it did?

Doron Cadiente: 37:55

I think. I think from there. I can't remember the exact price, but it was somewhere around like five to 600. Um so definitely, definitely lower budget. But the reason I did it was because I I felt like I was, you know, building a good relationship with the client and if it means you know having a good relationship with the client, like I'm gonna keep them yeah, but even 600 bucks for what?

Vipul Bindra: 38:17

half a day or day is not bad I mean yeah, it was gimbal lopping most time, right yeah?

Doron Cadiente: 38:22

yeah, definitely. I think for the initial gig I probably spent a little bit more time just because I hadn't worked with them before. It was something new for me, um, and I I wanted to do a good job because I knew they had several other opportunities to film, you know, future, future gigs and there's potential, you know, for charging them more, uh, for doing if they know, no, absolutely.

Vipul Bindra: 38:49

That's great, that's awesome, uh, so here's what I want to know next. So that's what I find a lot of people who are new or not full time yet that struggle with is, uh, the the technical aspects of like, how do you uh do contracts, if you even do it, and then how do you charge payment? What payment format did you use? All that Like do you? What do you charge payment? What payment format did you use? All that like do you do? What do you typically do?

Doron Cadiente: 39:08

because you probably don't have all the systems in place, right right now?

Vipul Bindra: 39:10

no, obviously so. So how did you do that? Did you send them a contract or didn't even bother about it?

Doron Cadiente: 39:13

you know what I, I probably, I probably should have.

Vipul Bindra: 39:17

Honestly, no, that's okay. I mean obviously, but it's okay.

Doron Cadiente: 39:20

A lot of people don't when they're part-time but, but yeah, I I think what did I do for the first client that I talked about, the one in Tallahassee, I feel? I asked them for a 50% deposit before I even started the gig, so I already had some of the money there and then they paid me literally immediately after I was done. Once I messaged them and let them know that.

Vipul Bindra: 39:48

What payment method?

Doron Cadiente: 39:50

I think they had like a private server that they used. It was something like Zelle or Venmo, but it was a private server that they used.

Vipul Bindra: 40:01

I can't remember exactly off the top of my head what it was. So you didn't have to set up any payment platform um and uh, yeah, very simple.

Doron Cadiente: 40:09

I, the other client that I worked with I think they paid me again, it was, I think that one was specifically through zelle- that they paid me uh for now I know there are, you know, better ways of going about that. Um, and there's definitely, you know you, you kind of have to cover your butt in certain situations.

Vipul Bindra: 40:27

But no, and that's okay. That's why I was curious to ask the people know, like you know, how somebody you know who's not full-time is doing it. Obviously, my suggestion would be to set up your processes but again if you're new or you're not doing this full-time, you know you, maybe you don't and you don't have time for it, so that's okay and uh, anything else that came out of it, or that was it for now that's it for now.

Doron Cadiente: 40:49

I actually uh, it's funny that we're talking about it now. I've actually had some communications with them and, um, hopefully, uh, we'll see you know, um, but hopefully you know we can set something up this month with them. Look at that you're finding repeat clients. Yeah, trying to From Upwork of all places, yeah, so.

Vipul Bindra: 41:07

See. So I'm saying opportunities just out everywhere, cause I wouldn't think you would be able to get $600,000. Like I said, those that's pretty decent money. And especially, like I said, especially, there's no editing or any of that and um, and you're, you're, you've been able to find these opportunities, so they exist everywhere. People just have to go, look, you know, and then, and there's no sales, even technically, in these, because they're already looking for it. You don't have to do any of the traditional stuff, you don't have to run ads, you don't have to do that obvious.

Vipul Bindra: 41:36

Obviously you have to be able to showcase that you can do it, which, um, I want to know. So what did you do? Like the first one, especially the interview did they ask you for any examples or anything? How did you like, did you have to do anything to get in their confidence?

Doron Cadiente: 41:51

yeah, yeah. So pretty much when, when you apply for a specific job on upwork, there's a section there where you can pretty much sell yourself you can talk about yourself, right, and what you and what you're, what you're expert in. Uh, so what I did is I I kind of have a template, uh, written up in my notes that you know kind of outlines the same thing, like a little bit about my gear you know what I?

Doron Cadiente: 42:15

typically shoot with Um, and then, um, I put a link to my website, a link to my Instagram, uh, cause that's where some of my work is um that I've shot previously and uh yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 42:29

And then I put my um, my rate, there as well. Uh, if it's within their budget, and uh, yeah, I think the the first client, the one in Tallahassee, uh, he, yeah, he clicked on my website. I have a demo reel that definitely needs to be updated now, um, but he saw it and he was like, oh, that's perfect okay, and I was like that's great.

Doron Cadiente: 42:50

So I was like, wow, so demo reels actually do work, you know, and it's not the best reel out there, but the fact that he saw the reel, he saw what I was able to do and he was made the decision to go with me that's amazing.

Vipul Bindra: 43:03

Well, I'm glad you know that worked out for you and that you put the effort to put the website and the demo reel and all that together. Yeah, yeah. But I think it's just thought about putting yourself out there, right? Because, like I said, I've been doing this a decent amount of time. I wouldn't have thought about going to upwork for finding video business, but look, you did. You thought something and, to be real, I've had many people. I don't think a single one of us went to Upwork, which is what made you think different. Right and go do that. Any other platforms you've tried that didn't work.

Doron Cadiente: 43:32

Or no, that was just the one. Honestly, that's kind of been the main one that I've used. I know there's plenty of other ones out there. There's Production Hub. I know several creators use that's kind of a popular one.

Vipul Bindra: 43:44

Yeah, that's a popular one.

Doron Cadiente: 43:44

I just haven't touched on that yet. And then I know there's one called Staff Me Up and it's kind of the same formula.

Vipul Bindra: 43:52

Yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 43:54

But I just really haven't dove into those different avenues, but Upwork it seems to be.

Vipul Bindra: 44:00

You know, it's very user-friendly, I mean it's good and, like you said, it's not like you're only just trying that. You've set up your website, you've set up your reel, you have your instagram, so so it doesn't hurt to go try some of these platforms and see if it works, because it clearly can work. You know, obviously we know, production hub works. It just has more, more competition. So I would say, if you're starting out, why not go to these websites where there's less people on there, less production companies, because, like I said, I don't, I don't think I'm there, so you may be able to find these opportunities. And I think, when you're starting out, being able to get an interview, b-roll some of these for a thousand bucks, six hundred bucks, that's not actually bad at all, that's a very good day rate, and then you can build connections, maybe, maybe do repeat business Right.

Doron Cadiente: 44:45

Yeah, and I think I think that's the key there.

Doron Cadiente: 44:47

I think it's, you know, starting out it's definitely not sustainable by any means, but it's definitely, you know, if, if you're looking to, you know, experience new things, cause there are several different types of uh, genres of jobs out there that you can select from, um, which is kind of cool. So if there's something that you find interest in, I mean, you can apply anyway and see where it takes you. But if you're really just trying to get, you know, get the jobs lined up, you can buy those connects and just literally apply to any job that you want while you're. While you're on there.

Vipul Bindra: 45:17

That's pretty cool, and you also have a kind of thing that you're interested in. Right, I think you wanted to do more fitness content, isn't that true?

Doron Cadiente: 45:25

yeah, are you?

Vipul Bindra: 45:25

still leaning towards that, or yeah?

Doron Cadiente: 45:27

I mean um I I'm physically active, like I you know what are you trying to do?

Vipul Bindra: 45:34

I'm, I'm at the gym, you know? Like five times a week.

Doron Cadiente: 45:37

Uh, you know, I try to be, and it's just something that I feel like that's what you have to do, right, like if there's, if there's an interest that you have, you know, try, try to make a video out of it.

Doron Cadiente: 45:48

And uh, you know it's um, I haven't made. I think I've. I've had one client in the past where they had a. They had a gym, uh, it was like a one-on-one gym, um, and I did a couple of videos with them and it was kind of cool, uh, to be able to do that. I would like to do more of that, um, but I would also like to do a lot, a lot of other things as well.

Doron Cadiente: 46:11

Um, but I wouldn't say that's my niche right now. Um, but it's definitely something I I really do have fun with, so awesome.

Vipul Bindra: 46:18

So so, where do you, um, uh, where do you see going next, like is there anything, any gear? That well, actually, no, let's step back. I know you mentioned your gear list. What, what do you? What gear are you using right now?

Doron Cadiente: 46:31

Um. So right now I have the, the FX six um that I use primarily. Um. I still have the. So I upgraded from a seven three Sony a seven three um, which is kind of a dinosaur now, but I I still use it for certain projects. It's still able to, you know, get some good images. Um. And then I have a? Um. I just bought some Amaron. Uh, what is it? The 60 S, those?

Vipul Bindra: 47:00

small lights.

Doron Cadiente: 47:02

Um, I love them and I just shot a wedding a few weeks ago and, uh, it was my first time using those lights I mean, they sound good.

Vipul Bindra: 47:10

Yeah, they probably be very good for writing.

Doron Cadiente: 47:12

Oh man, what a game changer, so so fast to throw up, uh, and it just changes the way your video looks I mean it's just amazing, um, but yeah, uh, and then I have, uh I mean the FX6, you're able to run audio straight from the. Fx6. So I typically just use my. I think it's like a Rode Enchi T3, whatever, and it sounds great. It's good. Yeah, I just have the essentials.

Vipul Bindra: 47:42

Nothing crazy. Your typical kit as a videographer, dp. So you have a FX6, ntg3s, your primarily primary audio. Uh, sounds like some amaran lights now.

Doron Cadiente: 47:53

That's pretty good, yeah and then I have a aperture. I think it's the 300x. Okay, it's like bi-color, um, and that would that's like my primary key that's a pretty good um and it's. It's small enough, you know, it's nimble enough to be able to work with.

Vipul Bindra: 48:08

And um, I have one of those. I love those, so that's pretty good, yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 48:16

So that's kind of my, my main, my main setup right now. So I I definitely, uh, you know, for for a couple of these weddings that I've done in the past, I've I've used the FX three in conjunction with the FX six and I gotta say I love the FX3. It is so quick, uh, you could throw it on a gimbal and it it produces pretty close to the same image as the FX6 now.

Vipul Bindra: 48:37

Currently, my favorite gimbal camera is the FX3. We have two of two of those and, man, they work all the time especially events.

Doron Cadiente: 48:44

I mean, you've used one, they're awesome so with me at least.

Vipul Bindra: 48:47

And um, you throw them on. Like I said, two gimbals Give to two operators, you can cover most events, and that's what I love about them. At the end of the day, again, they're money makers, right? They make a good amount of money because they can be used. They're very versatile. Now I wouldn't use them for interviews. Again, you can, although you couldn't. It's just again fx6, I think, fit better in that uh formula or in that format, but that's pretty cool. Any new gear that you plan on acquiring?

Doron Cadiente: 49:15

or you need to, or yeah. Well, like I said, I don't actually own the fx3 right now um typically for those gigs, I either I reach out to a buddy of mine that you know he's more than willing to just let me use it, and then I I rent it as well.

Doron Cadiente: 49:29

Um, but I in the foreseeable future, definitely the fx3, and I feel like that's pretty good kit though fx6 a cam, fx3 b cam, I think that's uh, that's a very good yeah yeah, I think it's the perfect match and, honestly, I feel like with that camera, you know, I feel like the ease of shooting would would definitely be in my hands with with the FX3. That's awesome.

Vipul Bindra: 49:54

So so it sounds like you've been shooting decent amount of weddings too. Now, how do you compare that to corporate work? Cause I like, so I don't shoot weddings. Um, so how would you compare that to corporate and commercial work versus you know, weddings? Yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 50:07

I think, um, I think, with weddings, weddings, it's, it's nice that you already know what to expect. Typically, every wedding is the same. I mean, uh, you know, it's maybe not the indian one, have you?

Vipul Bindra: 50:21

have you done an indian wedding, if there's anybody that needs one?

Doron Cadiente: 50:24

let me know. But, uh, but yeah, definitely, it's typically carved out to be the same the same day. Um, if it is, uh, just a normal wedding, it's typically 10 to you know, max 10 hours, um, and uh, you're definitely running the entire time if you're shooting it yourself, uh, which which I I did in this last wedding and it it honestly it was one of the best weddings that I've shot, in my personal opinion. Um, but yeah, it's definitely fast pace. Uh, you gotta be on your toes, um, and you gotta, you gotta put, you know, put your best foot forward and make sure that you're, you know, you keep up with the schedule, because if you're not ahead of the schedule, then you're going to lose out on some important shots, and I feel like that's in any you know type of gig that you do.

Vipul Bindra: 51:18

You just got to be on your Especially something like a vetting, where you can't go back and recreate it. You know you have to which is why, you know, I'm like I can't imagine the pressure. Obviously not that other field type. You know, corporate stuff doesn't have pressure. But you know, at least we can maybe try again. Right, with weddings there's no, you know, try again. And so which one do you prefer? Do you have any? Have you picked any preference or no?

Doron Cadiente: 51:42

I mean, you know, honestly, I want to shoot more weddings this year and Seems like you're enjoying it. Yeah, I mean, it's like I said, I feel like going into a wedding, you kind of already know what to expect, which I like, because you know, yeah, there definitely are surprises on wedding days, and for any videographer out there that shoots weddings, they know what that's like, um, but I like the fact that, um, the pay is nice.

Vipul Bindra: 52:17

Yeah, right, so are you doing this as a second shooter or someone, or are you actually doing the wedding?

Doron Cadiente: 52:22

I've done. I've done some second shooting before.

Vipul Bindra: 52:25

But um so you're prime, you're taking the wedding gig. But um so you're prime, you're taking the vetting. Yeah, the vetting, you can charge a lot, you know. I mean, I find that there's no rules like corporate stuff. Uh, you can. I've seen crazy numbers, crazy numbers yeah what range are you in right now? What are you range you're trying to?

Doron Cadiente: 52:42

uh or hit, I guess yeah, this this year, I kind of want to aim uh, I don't know anywhere between the 5 to 7 range, that's pretty good. I know there are plenty of other ranges out there which are astronomical and that's great, but for me, right where I'm at right now, I feel like the 5 to 7K range uh kind of a good range for me right now no, that's pretty good and and the costs are low on a wedding.

Vipul Bindra: 53:15

That's what I like. So you all you have to bring is what a second shooter and that's about it. And maybe editing that's your cost, and if you edit yourself, maybe you can even say yeah yeah, I mean, honestly, I know some people out there, um, that are doing weddings by themselves.

Doron Cadiente: 53:28

yeah, and that's what kind of inspired me to do this last wedding by myself and honestly, I was like why haven't I done this sooner? Like because in previous weddings that have been my gigs, I've brought some second shooters out there, which obviously I'm more than willing to, you know, give a job out to somebody you know, if it's needed right. But I realized in that to somebody you know if it's needed Right, but I realized in that shoot that you know I really don't need a second person to be here with me.

Doron Cadiente: 53:54

You know, I can maximize my return um and shoot this myself.

Vipul Bindra: 53:59

Do you think there's enough? Uh, you can get enough coverage, just yourself, that you don't need a second shooter.

Doron Cadiente: 54:04

Yeah, yeah, I definitely think you know you're definitely working a lot harder because it's just you and you're having to, you know, run to different areas to get the right shots that you need. And that's what I, that's what I mean by you know what to expect when going into a wedding, because you kind of already know in your head, as long as you know the, the outline of the wedding, um, you kind of already know what shots you need to get.

Vipul Bindra: 54:25

Yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 54:25

Right, so it's already cut out for you, um, unless if the you know, if the couple wants something specific, right, um, but that's what's kind of nice, and I feel like there's. There's a lot of wedding videographers here in the orlando area that are just crushing it because, no, I mean, this is a huge market.

Vipul Bindra: 54:42

A lot of people even, uh, travel here right for for wedding. Destination wedding is a thing and a lot of people like to come here. So, yeah, that's, this is a huge market to be in.

Doron Cadiente: 54:53

Do you?

Vipul Bindra: 54:53

see Orlando as a long-term home. Do you want to like?

Doron Cadiente: 54:56

stay here? Yeah, probably, especially with you. Know everything with nursing.

Vipul Bindra: 55:00

Cause I remember you mentioned earlier, you know, being in California for a little bit. How was that compared to out here?

Doron Cadiente: 55:07

Yeah, yeah, I was out there for a little over a year. I wouldn't live there me personally. It's too chaotic out there.

Vipul Bindra: 55:16

What part of California?

Doron Cadiente: 55:18

I was in Anaheim for a little bit.

Vipul Bindra: 55:21

and then I moved over to North Hollywood. Oh my goodness, from one Disney town to the other Disney town.

Doron Cadiente: 55:25

Yeah, yeah, I think it's great to build connections out there, though no, absolutely.

Vipul Bindra: 55:29

I'm literally about to fly there in a couple of days to San Diego, Right on, man so yeah, I mean there is a lot more work, but so I mean I'm always in California. But I also find it crazy when you go to stores, you know, especially in LA, where everything's freaking locked up it's like what is going on here. Anyways, it's.

Doron Cadiente: 55:48

It's kind of nuts it's like a different world.

Vipul Bindra: 55:50

Yeah, I can't imagine living in a place like that. But hey, I mean, people do, obviously, uh, but there is more work. Obviously there's a lot going on there comparatively to to orlando. Obviously we have a. We have a decent indie scene, uh, but that's about it you know, and obviously tons of corporate and commercial and conference work that we do, but not that much like anything beyond that going on here. Uh, but that's good, that's a good comparison.

Vipul Bindra: 56:13

Yeah, awesome, uh, all right, so tell me more about uh, I want to know more about, like your wedding filmmaking. How have you been getting these gigs? How are you finding brides?

Doron Cadiente: 56:25

Yeah, well, honestly, uh, right now it's been, it's been word of mouth really Um and uh, you know, at this last wedding I was shooting, it was for a good friend of mine, and what's kind of nice is that the friend group that he has um were also my friends as well. Most of them aren't married yet.

Doron Cadiente: 56:45

So, I mean right there you know that's you know they know who to go to uh for for their wedding film. And that's what's awesome about weddings is that you know once you start to shoot, you know one, two, three, four, five weddings. You know you're bound to get more people to reach out to you by word of mouth Um.

Doron Cadiente: 57:04

another way uh that I I plan on this year um getting more wedding gigs is uh is via the photographers, right the photographers that you work with, because you know they have, uh, a lot of, you know clients as well, and what they're able to do is they're able to bring on a videographer and charge more you know, but again, that's another opportunity to shoot a wedding.

Vipul Bindra: 57:27

you know what I mean. So photo and video working together at a wedding man, that's incredible and, like you said, so your clients are right there. It's the singles at the wedding, the photographers at the wedding, and so if you network again power networking you can find more and more work. That's awesome. So you said you want to primarily, at least this year, focus on weddings.

Doron Cadiente: 57:48

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Again, I honestly don't know what my niche is yet, but I definitely want to. You know, I have a goal number of around 10 to 15 weddings this year. That's pretty good weddings.

Vipul Bindra: 58:02

Hey, you're doing nursing and a job at a hospital and 10 to 15 weddings I'm hoping so.

Doron Cadiente: 58:08

Definitely nothing's carved out yet but, I feel like that's uh for the year if I can close out on 10 winnings. Uh for this year, I feel like that would be a good, a good number for me. No, that's pretty good even on five grand.

Vipul Bindra: 58:20

I mean that this is low for a wedding. That's 50 grand right there and that's just a side gig now right right so that's, that's. Hey. Video can be a good side gig. I mean, I'm all for, obviously. Uh, my thing is just go dive in, but you don't have to cause. Uh, you know, I mean, if I made 50 grand on the side and had a stable job like nursing, I mean, you know you seeming like you figured this out, I mean at this point, that's, I'm taking baby steps, I'm taking one step at a time.

Doron Cadiente: 58:47

Who knows? You know what happens. You know a month from now you know who knows what opportunities you know lie ahead of me and lie ahead of you, you know. But you know you just I think that's that's the whole point of videography you just kind of have to be open to anything and you know you're going to find stuff that you don't like You're going to find stuff that you do like and what do you?

Doron Cadiente: 59:07

You're going to find stuff that you do like and what you do not like. Oh man, um, that's a great question, man.

Vipul Bindra: 59:14

Uh, you said it, I just want to know.

Doron Cadiente: 59:18

Yeah, you know, I don't know Sometimes. You know, sometimes obviously you're going to have the difficult client, right. I I kind of my my main thing that I live by is just being a good person. You know and it's sad to see when you know you try to do all that you can for certain clients and, uh, they just don't see it. You know, and yeah, I make mistakes, right, we all make mistakes but um you know I.

Doron Cadiente: 59:44

I try to let my clients know that when I do make a mistake that you know I, I try to let my clients know that when I do make a mistake that you know, I do my part to make sure that I. Um that I saw it you know, and that I, that I make amends for it and that I do, you know yeah, you're human, obviously. Exactly Right, and um, yeah, it's just, it's any client story that you can share with us.

Vipul Bindra: 1:00:07

You don't have to tell us their name or whatever.

Doron Cadiente: 1:00:09

Yeah, Um, let me think on that Um.

Vipul Bindra: 1:00:14

Hmm, difficult client.

Doron Cadiente: 1:00:17

Yeah, man, um, yeah, you know, there there was this one client, um, that I was, uh, that I was working with and, um, I think, for him in particular, I, I really wanted to shoot with him because it was a bit, it was a bigger company and I was like you know what, for this first shoot, I'll do for free, right? I'll just, you know, and sometimes you know, sometimes that's not the best thing to do.

Doron Cadiente: 1:00:48

And sometimes that's the perfect thing to do and yeah, you know, I did a shoot for free. It was a great shoot, loved the video, and then we sat down and we started talking about you know what he wanted. You know, in the coming months and I think this is something else that you know one of my goals this year is to really focus on pre pre-production.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:10

Yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 1:01:11

Because the more you solve in pre-production, the less hassle you have to deal with later, because you have everything.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:17

Plus you make better content because you have already figured it out Exactly.

Doron Cadiente: 1:01:20

Exactly, and you and you kind of you know, go over all the hurdles that come with, not with no pre-production, right, and so, yeah, we were kind of going over that and, um, I showed up again, you know, did, did some more shoots, but uh, you know, and and this is where I messed up, because I did another free shoot for him oh, so you kept doing free shoots right and um you know, because I felt like okay, well, these are.

Doron Cadiente: 1:01:50

These are pretty simple shoots I mean it's, I mean really, really simple. I mean they were short, you know 20 second reels whatever.

Doron Cadiente: 1:01:57

Um, and you know, we had another, I think we had something else lined up where I was. You know, I had a you know quote lined up for it. Um, but you know, I, I, I produce these, these videos, and I produce them pretty quick, yeah, and uh, man, I sent the videos and I got like the longest text which just hey, well, this, this isn't how I like it. You know this, this I don't like it like this. Why is it like this? And what's interesting is that I made it based off of their previous content that they've already been producing, because you know I didn't want to take anything away from their vision.

Vipul Bindra: 1:02:34

Yeah, exactly.

Doron Cadiente: 1:02:35

And I was like you know, and of course I handled it professionally and you know I responded with well, hey, the reason why this is like this is because of this, you know. But yeah, it was just, it was very. There was a lot of critique, almost a little bit too much.

Vipul Bindra: 1:02:51

Especially for free. I mean, I get it if they're paying you. Yeah, but but.

Doron Cadiente: 1:02:55

Yeah, and, and it I mean it was down to the T of like well, hey, this, this just abruptly cuts to the next shot and I'm like well, in your in your content, it cuts abruptly to the next shot as well, so I mean it's just, and I mean I, the guys, this guy's, cool guy, he's very successful, and you know I I mean no, no harm in what I say but um, yeah, it's just stuff like that and yeah, and that's why it's important to to mesh with the clients, because, let's be real, uh, not, I'm not saying you know, any client is just bad, that nobody will fit with them.

Vipul Bindra: 1:03:32

But not everyone is your client, right, my clients are. You know, my clients for a reason, and then your cleave may find clients that you like to work with. They're your clients. There's enough clients to go around for everyone. And the truth is because different business owners are different and they have different visions and they have, and so you just have to find somebody who you align with right, and sometimes, uh, you just end up with the client that you know your visions just don't align and that doesn't mean you did a bad job or you know they did a bad job, it's just they're you're just not the right fit, exactly, which is why I'm all for about qualifying clients.

Vipul Bindra: 1:04:06

So one of the things which can be hard sometimes, I always like to be like do you have anything? You can send me any video, because you know they're reaching out. We want to make a video, or whatever. I'm like is there anything I can see of what you want to make? You know it doesn't have to be yours. Go to google or youtube or whatever you know, find me a video and sometimes they'll have it. They're like oh yeah, absolutely, this is what my inspiration is. Or, um, like, I had client recently they wanted to make a reel right to get more work and then I looked at it and I was like well, you know, this reel's real great, we can make this. But for this we would have to follow you for months, get enough content, because you know, what you have sent me is cell phone footage. Can we edit it? Can we make it look good? Can we tell a story? Absolutely, because you know can. We can build story from multiple cell phone videos. But is it going to now start?

Vipul Bindra: 1:04:56

looking automatically like it was filmed by me or are you or anyone professional? No, it's cell phone footage right at the end there. Maybe we can mask it with photos or something on top of it or some graphics. Right, there's ways to ways around it. But we cannot make it look like the example.

Vipul Bindra: 1:05:07

But if I would have never known that, had I not asked for the example Because I had just gotten the footage hey, make it real from this. And I was like, okay, we can absolutely do that. So I think sometimes it's important. And then you start to talk and then you find out, oh, and they're like oh, we have this bigger contract we can give you, where you can capture the other side of it. So it's like A is just making them understand, but the other side of it was like hey, there's this bigger contract coming up where you we can give you from my company or whatever, where then you can come record me, you know all these times anyway, and then saves me cost from having to pay you to film me or we don't have to make this low quality content now I hope that makes sense so.

Vipul Bindra: 1:05:46

But that conversation wouldn't have happened had I just said yes to what they wanted to do right, exactly so it became from a simple editing job to like setting the expectations to, oh, this could be worth a lot of money because this could be a huge contract. Uh, would have never known until I brought up like, look, this is what you want and the footage you're sending me doesn't match, and that, and you know that's the type of conversations you have to have. But once you set realistic expectations, uh, I'd rather do it now than later because, um, like you said, if the um you make content and then they go, ah, I don't like it. Now what?

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:23

exactly especially if free. They should just be grateful, um, and then again we can talk more about free work. I would love to, but what I'm saying is but if it's paid, that's a different thing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:32

Right, then you better be oh, of course on the same page, and I'm not saying it's you, they have to be on the same page. They should pick person making their content that you know is aligned with their vision. I guess, right, um, so anyway, coming to free work, obviously I'm my views on that are very polarizing, and one day I'm like, yeah, if you don't have the skill set, you have to work for free, you have to get those skills because that's very important, to be able to make good content.

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:58

But on the other side it can be exploitive. You go and make so many reels and they're like, oh, do all these revisions. And you're like dude, I'm doing this for free.

Doron Cadiente: 1:07:21

So where do you stand and what's your views on free working for free? Well, so, yeah, I I think you got to be very careful with who you decide to work for free. You know when you, when you decide to work for free, um, but, like I said, uh, at the beginning, I this is a client that I I saw would be a cool client to add to my portfolio. Um and uh, which let me add this that client found me via Upwork, um, so this was a this was an application.

Doron Cadiente: 1:07:45

Yeah, that I sent out. You know, several months ago, um yeah that I sent out, you know several months ago.

Doron Cadiente: 1:07:52

At the time, yeah, and I randomly got, I got a message on my phone right Like, hey, you know, we have this project, we want you to be a part of the blah, blah, blah. And you know I responded and I saw what they were about and I was like, man, I want to be a part of that, like I want to be there. So, you know, just being, you know I hadn't met them before. You know, I had a phone call, a brief phone call, with them, but I wanted to see them in person. I I prefer, you know, face-to-face interactions and and so, yeah, I was like you know what, I'll just come by your shop and, uh, you know, we'll talk and if you want, I can shoot like a quick 30 second promo for you guys while I'm there. Um, something super simple. Uh, obviously I try to keep my time within like like an hour, so I'm not, you know, cutting into, you know, any of my my own time.

Doron Cadiente: 1:08:41

Yeah, you're already busy, yeah exactly so, yeah, I went there and, you know, shot him something quick and had fun with it and you know, yeah, I may have not, I may have not gotten paid for it, but I still have something that I could add to my reel yeah right, so and something you wanted to make because exactly you were immediately like I want to be part of this.

Doron Cadiente: 1:09:04

I want to make this content exactly exactly and, and who knows, you know in the future, if, if that you know free work that you did may find another client that really likes it you know, and wants love to come meet you and I can make you a quick 30-second reel within that hour that I'm there and that dynamic is different.

Vipul Bindra: 1:09:33

They're not saying come make free stuff for us.

Doron Cadiente: 1:09:36

Yeah, that would be a different story, for sure, yeah exactly here you are.

Vipul Bindra: 1:09:40

You're saying hey, and then that's okay because they get something out of it for letting you do that. But then now you get something out of it because now you're learning a the skills and be a product that you can maybe potentially put in your reel or show other clients in the same industry. So then it's. I think it's more of a win-win situation, right.

Doron Cadiente: 1:09:57

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Again, I don't recommend that for every client. You know that you get out there to just do a free you know a free reel for them. Um a free reel for them, Um, but in in certain cases definitely like by all means, especially if, obviously, if you can afford it like yeah, especially if you're starting out, I think that obviously, um, like we were talking about, obviously your sales skills are more important than your, your, uh, work skills.

Vipul Bindra: 1:10:24

But if you're not there where you can be providing that service because, let's be real, eventually the way you succeed is by collaboration, by bringing crews or whatever other. Your friends are working with them. But in the beginning, when it's just you, right, and that's where the budget is and that's the type of clients you're working uh, you have to have your skill set somewhere where you can at least match. Again, it doesn't need to be that great, but if you're charging 500 bucks or 600 bucks or a thousand bucks, it needs to match. That's still a lot of money.

Vipul Bindra: 1:10:54

So, your skills, and if they're not there yet, then that's the best way to learn, because you can A go, obviously, meet other filmmakers in the area, but to test it out, go make some contacts, find the type of businesses you want to work with and it's okay to go make them some content, but only so you can improve your skill set. Obviously they get something free out of it. Um, don't waste their time, but but don't let them take advantage of you either. Right, don't, don't keep going back. Is that what ended up happening? You just kept keep going back, or?

Vipul Bindra: 1:11:24

yeah, so eventually I sounded like they lured you in for the promise of paid job. Did you ever get paid? Nope, nope, and that's why, you know, unfortunately, that's why I kind of had to, you know, kind of split ways from them um which I mean it happens did you fix it, at least when all that text came, or you said no well, I I provided the reasonings behind.

Doron Cadiente: 1:11:43

You know why this was shot the way it was, why it was edited the way it was, and um yeah, that's it, that was it. Okay, that was it um, you know that I think they prefer. You know, they were like oh, let's hold off on this type of content and we'll stick to something else. Okay, which is great.

Vipul Bindra: 1:12:00

I was like okay, I mean, I mean, no, not hard feelings, though, because at the end day, you were providing a free service. They were getting it for free, so yeah yeah, nobody lost any roi or anything out of it so exactly and plus you learn anyway um, yeah maybe. Uh, to me, the the best thing there would be just in the future, setting up what expectations or whatever, because I mean it's not like you're exactly you were making the right content that you, you know.

Doron Cadiente: 1:12:23

Maybe they just their expectations were not correct and that, and that's why I brought up at the beginning like pre-production is so essential, especially with your clients, like you know. Get those expect expectations on the table. Um, that way, both of you are on the same page and then moving forward. If there is anything outside of that, well, you guys can conquer that when you get there.

Vipul Bindra: 1:12:43

Yeah plus, it doesn't even have to be something extensive. It's not like I get it. If it's a commercial, whatever, you have to set mood boards or whatever and shot list and all that. But if it's just a corporate video, just a simple, what I do is obviously you know we don't do that much work We'll obviously find the solution, find the problem, offer the solution, offer the. You know, once we have an offer and a price, let them sign the proposal and make a payment. Once they do that, I'll set up like a pre-production call with them and so essentially most of pre-production is just that right, like same thing, like figuring out what it, what, uh, what is the goals, example videos, so we can kind of reference the quality they're looking for, because you know their example is, uh, not that high quality. Then you know, okay, I know the quality they're going for. What's the same thing like if they're showing you a commercial from Coke or Pepsi or whatever you're like. Okay, we need to manage expectation. Ideally you would do this before they pay. But you see what I'm saying.

Vipul Bindra: 1:13:38

Either way, reproduction can be very helpful in just figuring out those details of music and branding, brand guidelines, logos, logo placement and, yeah, the overall. You know, energy, uh, anyway, the look and feel, whatever they're going for, and it's just usually a simple one hour phone call or zoom meeting, right, just, you're just asking simple questions, uh like hey, can you send me a brand guideline, what do you think about this? And and you can usually even find questionnaires, like this corporate video you know, uh, I don't know uh, pre-production meeting notes or whatever. And there's so many apps out there, man, like uh, millinode or whatever they can use even just normal notes app to, to make them take those notes down, and it can just be so easy.

Vipul Bindra: 1:14:25

A step plus. It also makes them like you care, obviously, right, because you actually care. Um, and then once you have the expectations right and what I'll do, like so, the biggest thing I love doing is showing them something visually. It's funny. I'm the opposite. I'm like hey, none of my talk by reels, none of my clients care about reels and testimonials, anything, because they're usually warm leads. They already want to work with me when they come to me. But on the other side, I want to show them video because I'm like let me find you a video that I made. Hopefully I've worked with enough industries at this point I can tap into my resources and find them a video at that budget and type a video. The only difficulty when it happens is sometimes it's like a commercial. Uh, for I don't know. Let's say a product right, and their budget is five grand, but the only one I have is for 30 grand. Now it becomes hard. I'm like look, I could show you a product commercial, but this is not the price point you're looking at, just so you know I can work in the industry, but this is a commercial that was done at this range. So I but I would love, I love for them to see something. And then I like to get their vision like, hey, does this look like something you're looking for? And then usually get either a yes or no. And if you know, then now we need to continue doing pre-production. But usually, as long as you know, you listen correctly, you'll get, and it doesn't even have to be yours.

Vipul Bindra: 1:15:39

I've done that sometimes. I've had, like shoots that are not common for me, like dance or uh, you know, or, or um, underwater stuff that is not common for what I do. And then it's okay to even go and ask your colleagues. I've gone on our chat or other networking groups. I'm like, hey, you know anyone done this type of shoot and you know what it makes the best part of it, at least for me. They're going to make money because they don't know, I'm going to hire them.

Vipul Bindra: 1:16:05

So I'm like show me the video, because I don't want to lie to my clients. I'm like, hey, here's one of my colleagues, here's what he we've done right. And then if they like it obviously that's what they say yes, then I'm going to go back to the guy who showed it was like so now you're experienced with this, do you want to come on the set and help me out? Because I don't want to lie to my clients, I don't want to be like this is my work right and I did it. But, but, but, worst case, I'm saying even this I've gone to YouTube and I've been like look, this is not my video, but here's what I found on YouTube.

Vipul Bindra: 1:16:31

Is that what you like? The point I'm trying to get to is find something close to it, or at least the budget level. Get that. You know that nod of affirmation Like yes, because I can't imagine going through the whole production, especially a reel is still easier, but I'm like a bigger, like talking head, like interview, b-roll, all that. You're putting it together and them going ah, that's not the look and feel we were going for that that would that would.

Vipul Bindra: 1:16:58

That would not make me happy yeah, yeah, definitely so but. But these are the type of lessons. Now is the time to learn, right now, later so uh, and I'm glad hopefully people who are listening wouldn't make that mistake. Now they're listening to us. Look, we've all made mistakes, one of the common ones that I've talked about. One of my first shoot where somebody was like oh, I'll give you I don't know a few thousand bucks, whatever to go record this band. And I'm like what you're telling me? I remember they're.

Vipul Bindra: 1:17:26

They're pretending like they're singing for someone, but there's no one there sometimes this whole band is just gonna sing for me and I just have to make them a reel so they can get more gigs, right, that's. That's the type of thing. So I'm like, okay, perfect, you got it and and plus, I'm getting paid for this. It was like four or five songs or whatever so I set up a bunch of cameras.

Vipul Bindra: 1:17:45

Uh, you know, I recorded it. And the next thing I know I I'm like this is gonna be a piece of cake. You know multicam on final cut, because I'm editing these myself. Then you know I could press a bunch of buttons, you know like, you know how I don't know if you've done multicam on final cut very easy you can switch between abc camera. Anyway, point is, yeah, I'm so excited about this because I'm like I'm getting a free freaking performance just for me. I'm recording, I'm getting paid to do this. You know I'm in a cool studio Anyway, so I do shoot when great, nothing wrong, and sometimes when it's like going too good, something is wrong.

Vipul Bindra: 1:18:19

So I recorded it. And then, anyway, I came home and then it's like nothing would line up and I'm like you would think you can. Oh, you know people say, oh, waveforms, but some some glitch was happening. Point is, it wouldn't line up. So I would lighten this way and form up. It wouldn't line. At the end, nightmare. And it was five, six cameras, so it wasn't. Oh, it was not two cameras and and there was cuts because I also was using a gimbal, so it's not like one take, dude, it went from being a fun gig to four days later, and most of it was just that lining up the song, because then I could just cut it through like it's a multi-cam, that's easy. Right, it's the.

Vipul Bindra: 1:18:54

It wouldn't line up oh my and I don't know what the glitch was. Anyway, the point is so we've all screwed up and literally first thing I did after that gig, obviously I did it, I made yeah, so what happened?

Vipul Bindra: 1:19:04

I'm curious nothing I just worked my butt off for days and days and days and days and days to edit that crap, which would have been very easy because, like I said, I spent hours and hours lining up because I would have to do. What ended up happening was I would just cut the clips the long ones so some glitch was happening. I don't, I don't know. Obviously it was years and years ago. Point is, all I had to do ultimately was just make sure it lined up. Whatever I had to do sometimes and it was by a frame, normally I wouldn't care. I just want you to know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:19:31

On a talking head you can get away with the frame, but this is music. Like you can see when the drum is hitting, you know it's a band thing and the sound needs to come from that. They're trying to get gigs here. This isn't, anyway. Point is so, yeah, yeah, I had to like cut and you know, move by frames here, frame here, and then it would line up. Then, if I go to another camera, I do that and once, obviously, I lined up the song. Same thing, very easy go to multi-camera, just switch. That was that part was in the hard part. Point is something that I thought was going to be a few hours ended up being days, like you said, maybe even a week, and at that point that you know, I had, uh, told them like I would only do like the four or five songs, whatever. Initially I'd been like, oh, I'll just go above and beyond, give them all the songs that record I was like no, no, I didn't even mention that.

Vipul Bindra: 1:20:17

I was like, nope, this is all you get. They were like the future, if you want to do more, I was like, yeah, reach out. But I was like please don't reach out my brain. I'm like. I was like, yeah, absolutely, let me know. You know, and normally, like I said no, no, uh, you know what do you call unedited content? But I was like you know what? I'm happy to give you the content. You can edit it. You know, I'm like I don't want anything to do with this anyway, but that's a disaster.

Vipul Bindra: 1:20:38

But first thing I did was, literally when this was done, I was like on amazon or sorry, on bnh or whatever. I was like, okay, time code devices, never again, will I ever film without time code? Because that could have been one second fix, right, uh. But I was relying at that time on the software and the pluralize and all that crap that existed, but it didn't work on that one anyway. So I'm saying we've all made disastrous things, uh, and and, but learn from me. The main thing is to, I think, just learn from it, right. And then, like I said, I've never had a syncing issues ever again, because I always now use time code, always because I'm like I cannot have that happen again, you know, and plus funny thing is, I don't edit anymore, so I don't even know who'd matter right but regardless, you know, and that was the solution and I solved it and never had that issue.

Doron Cadiente: 1:21:24

But you know, so I think we've all had you know situations oh yeah, speaking of another one I had was, uh, I, I, it was another wedding that I was shooting and, um, the client prior he told me to shoot everything in 4k. And you know, wedding went great, got some good shots, solid wedding right, and I think I was, uh, I had someone else with me and, um, we got some good footage. And then I go to look at the footage and I realized everything was shot in 1080. Oh man, I was, oh, it was, it was awful and the good thing is, ai upraises the thing nowadays, but yeah, yeah, but still, yeah, that would not make me happy.

Doron Cadiente: 1:22:09

Yeah, so I, I, you know, I sent him the footage anyway, and um, oh, you didn't try to uprise it no, no, I, I, yeah, I sent it anyway I appreciate your integrity. Oh, that's good man it was, it was rough, but again.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:23

I mean, it is what it is, yeah you know uh learning experience you know? And was he mad or did he understand? Oh, of course, of course yeah, because it was.

Doron Cadiente: 1:22:31

It wasn't the, it wasn't the couple I was working with. It was someone else's uh client and so, yeah, of course he was. He was definitely frustrated. Yeah, um, we still covered everything but um, but the fact that I wasn't in 4k, that was the talk about a mistake that now I'm remembering oh my goodness, I can't believe.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:48

At the time I sent you to do shoots. I think I was going to vegas or whatever, and I asked you to go film something for me and I completely forgot. And that's on me, because I asked you hey, what camera do you have? You're like uh, because you know, our other b-roll for uh was fx3 or whatever. And you were like and again, that's not what you said, but that's what my brain wanted to hear you said I've got an a7s3 and I was like, oh, perfect, that's gonna match. So, uh, you know. Anyway, I said sure, doron, go get this b-roll for me, I'm gonna be in vegas, I'm busy, and I come back and I'm like the footage doesn't match.

Vipul Bindra: 1:23:18

And then I remember I was like you said a7iii not a7s3 and uh, my brain just added the s there and the freaking thank. Thank goodness again, I wasn't editing, but Julie who was editing the footage. She's like I can't move this color Because you know it's not 10-bit. That's the only difference.

Vipul Bindra: 1:23:36

So it's not like A7 III is bad, it's just not 10-bit, so you can't adjust the colors that much. She's like I do white balance, the color sheet. I'm like, oh, and then I knew it wasn't your fault, because I'm like I remember hearing A7S III, but he said A7 III. But obviously we made it work. We just had to do a lot of manual. You know, I think what we ended up doing was it was just a shot or two, so it wasn't like that much, but we ended up having to layer it and, you know, do it in sections Because you know, know it's not 10 bit, so you can't just manipulate the whole image. And same thing. I'm like always want 10 bit, but I didn't know a7iii didn't do 10 bit. I didn't even know it was a7iii.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:18

Like I said, I was so busy. I'm like I'm going to vegas. Hey, can you do this? All right, perfect, go, come back. I'm like I took your footage, gave it to the editor. I'm like all right, I'm done, I'm done. And then they're like why, why would this footage change colors on us? I'm like I don't know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:28

Anyway, but that was a fun experience and I was like I need to listen more. You know I'm asking somebody what camera do you have?

Doron Cadiente: 1:24:36

Now I feel bad. No, but I saw you.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:38

That was on me. That's what I'm saying. That wasn't at all anything you did wrong, but what I'm saying is my brain automatically added an S in there Because that's what I assume for some reason it was and uh, anyway, that was a fun time.

Doron Cadiente: 1:24:55

Thank goodness it was one shot uh otherwise.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:57

Yeah, because we were also trying to match with the other cameras. You know, that's the whole thing. Uh, because you know if you're just using the same camera, then it doesn't matter because it's all gonna match.

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:07

Um, yeah, I had oh talk about, I mean stories yeah, yeah I had a buddy who shot a wedding it was his first wedding and he was like um, uh, he shot a wedding, he had no experience and he charged a decent amount of money. And then obviously he came home and same thing, I think, whatever camera he had only shot in like 8 bit. And so he has now here a really nice camera um, uh, you know fs5, whatever, whatever. And then the other thing wouldn't match. And then he's like I guess he tried a while to edit, to fix the colors, and he couldn't. So he shouted me he's like hey, don't you have a colorist? I was like, yeah. He's like can you please?

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:44

see if we can fix it and I sent it to my buddy and he's like, uh, no, he's like I could try and do some good stuff to like you know, like to maybe make it mesh, but it's like, you know, the problem with 8-bit is like it's kind of what you get and especially if you start to do even a little bit too much, it's going to start bending. Um, so so that was a fun thing. And I was like, here's a fs5 mark, whatever it was, the other one, oh, you can do whatever you can up, you know, because 10 bit cinema camera you can manipulate everything. And then here goes, whatever the other one was, I don't remember now, um, some sony, you know right, but point is it was it had like no manipulation because it's 8-bit. And I was like even a professional colorist is like, uh, I don't know what I can do.

Vipul Bindra: 1:26:29

I mean we made it work, poor girl, you know, because we don't want the bride to not be happy, but there was very limited of what we could do. I felt even bad charging my friend. I'm like, ah man, I just already feel bad for you. I mean you made decent money because weddings, but still, you know, first wedding and now the colors don't freaking match, I mean, but things that you don't think about, and they these are the reasons, see, why people are like why can, how can we charge more money? Right? Why? Why? Why is the shoot not 200 bucks but 3 000 bucks or whatever?

Vipul Bindra: 1:27:01

I think that's what it is. You're being paid to make sure the footage doesn't get deleted, to make sure the shoot was right, and the higher you charge, the more they're expecting you to, and not that saying that there won't be one rare example of things just absolutely go wrong. But I think that's um why we're paid right, right to, to make sure all the things that are going to go wrong hopefully won't go wrong. And it's the reliability why people are willing to pay more. Because for a bride think about it, I mean, I'm thinking again.

Vipul Bindra: 1:27:32

I don't do weddings like. Can you imagine going to a bride and saying I lost all your wedding footage? Oh my goodness, that would not go well yeah, because it's not like yeah, let's not. But I'm just saying uh, you know, because I that's not like they're gonna go get married again.

Doron Cadiente: 1:27:46

I mean, hopefully not but even you know what I mean.

Vipul Bindra: 1:27:49

Oh, yeah, definitely wow, any other crazy stories you can think of no man.

Doron Cadiente: 1:27:55

Um, yeah, I think this past those two things that I brought up, those this happened this past year, so really yeah, yeah both at different times, but yeah, so let's hope this new year you know, starting a new year off right?

Vipul Bindra: 1:28:09

especially with 10 weddings and 10 to 15 weddings you want to do this year.

Vipul Bindra: 1:28:12

You don't want to, you don't want to be messing with that, but see, I think as long as you learn, the biggest thing is look, everyone's going to make mistakes, we're human. I had, like I said, I think I've told this story but I had somebody mess with my cameras, like on set, like DP. But you know what I mean, like and not ask. But point is so I used to have a very rarely, you know, not anymore, but on my FX6's we had a button to burn in the phantom light if needed, always off, never had that issue. I've owned the Sony platform for a couple of years now and uh, obviously I leave for five minutes, come back because you know, and all sony too, I mean there are many it all it shows is m. So if you're burning in the light, that's all it shows and the m goes away. Obviously if you're not, and uh, you know, uh, the, the guy who was the dp fix his cameras. We and I was in charge of the two fx6s and uh, on the lighting and the sound and everything else. So I did everything. We walked away to get some snacks. We came back. He's like oh, I already, you know, I moved the cameras a little bit, but they're all set and I'm like okay, we hit record. I'm listening to the audio shoots done, go go home and you know, footage is copied, done, right. And this was the director he calls like hey, the color is like, I see color in this footage and you're supposed to be log. I'm like, oh, what I'm like he's like make doesn't make sense. I was like, yeah, I know for a fact it was an s log three, you know, because, yeah, I don't record in color. So anyway, I go back in and I'm like you know, I see color too. Now I'm like what you know, I see color too. Now I'm like what happened? And obviously there's been many shoots since then. So obviously the camera is fixed. But anyway, I come to find out that and I don't know if it was sabotage or not, I don't think it was Accidentally somebody pressed the button and he did it on both cameras, but he burned in the light and that's why I was like the first thing I did was go and remove um and remove that button.

Vipul Bindra: 1:30:14

I was like I don't care, somebody wants to burn in the lot. Now you have to go deep dive into the menus, but things like that happen. The good thing was he burned in the phantom lot, which is the phantom neutral lot, which is what most of the time we used for conversion, so it didn't ruin the footage that much. It was still 10 bit. You know, it was only the phantom let, so it could be, you know, still color graded Cause we were going to have a colorist on the shoot. Nice point I'm trying to get to don't let anyone touch your cameras, especially if they don't know any of the shortcuts and buttons, like that.

Doron Cadiente: 1:30:42

And yeah that was a fun experience. How's that been for you? By the way, you know, having you know, you have two FX6s now. Yes, I have two.

Vipul Bindra: 1:30:49

FX6s, two FX3s, two FX30s. That's the current camera. Yeah, got rid of all the expensive cameras. Don't have the V-Raptors anymore. Don't have the Alexa. Just sticking to Sony and then renting the Alexas as needed is the current formula. Obviously, we'll rent RED, but nobody's asking for them, at least from me, anymore. Please call me for a red shoot. We will do it, obviously. I know enough people komodos and v raptors that we can rent them but no that's all the demand I'm getting.

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:14

You know, that's all I shot in 2024. It was all sony fx6 and fx3, to be most likely. Uh 30 only comes out for like event shoots. And then, um, uh, the other one was alexas and alexa minis. You know mini and mini lfs. That's literally what I've, at least you shot in 2024. I'm camera agnostic. I'll shoot on whatever, yeah, but yeah, that's what I currently have. And uh, obviously you saw the van, the, the new thing for this year right yeah, finally got all the gear.

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:42

I've had the. Funny enough, like I said, a lot of people like you must have put so much money in the gear. I'm like, no, I already had the gear. I did have to buy the carts and the van, which was not cheap but the rest, just you know, was already in there.

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:54

I just had to load it up and and thank goodness it come, you know, it went away. Plus, I had to have a couple of storage units. I'll save money over there too, so it's actually not a bad experience, you know to think about it. What do you think of that?

Doron Cadiente: 1:32:08

the van. Yeah, oh man, that's like every filmmaker's dream I think it's awesome. I would love to have one of those. No, I think I think it's great and I'm I'm looking forward to, uh, you know, what 2025 has to bring for for you and your company, and especially with, I mean, having a van. That's kind of. Those are big things.

Vipul Bindra: 1:32:27

That's a big move yeah, I mean funny enough. Like I said, I'm already trying to just replicate what I had a couple years ago. I had the trailer set up and I loved it, uh, but got rid of it harder to maneuver around downtown and stuff like that. And then you know smaller cities and things like that miami. Good luck with the trailer. So, yeah, it was just a couple years in the making.

Vipul Bindra: 1:32:46

I'm so glad it finally happened, but at the same time, um, I think, uh, funny enough, you say that all I'm like is, if I can just do what I did in 2024, I'd be happy. 2024 was an incredible year for my business and, um, obviously, minus the last two months building all this and the van and the crap, that was a little bit of nightmare, but no, I'm just happy. To be honest, it's just that I just want to do what we did in 2024. Obviously better would be nicer, but it's not neat if I can just uh, and I think this is more efficiency gain. I know, uh, um, like I said, in all it changes for me is like we were talking before we started the podcast. Is this the time, the time to? You know? At this point it like I'm shaving, saving just minutes. I'm trying to shave minutes of taking things out because you've shot like an interview with me, right? Yeah, the difference is, instead of bag, now it's already on the card, right, exactly, so I mean it's. Is it essential? No, but since you, since I do so many of these might as well. You know every minute adds up, the less set of time adds up and as I'm only getting older, you know less. You know being more efficient and is is better. Plus, now that I like the, my biggest goal of this year is to collaborate with people more.

Vipul Bindra: 1:34:00

Now that the van is ready and my setup time isn't hard, isn't long, might as well go be on other people's set. That's help other people out. Since we have it. Yeah, might as well go do. I'm already doing it. I have a buddy which I don't typically do like movies, so I'm about to help uh, a buddy of mine uh, film a short film, uh, and normally I wouldn't. He's like, hey, do you want a dp? This, you know, normally in the past I would have been like no, but now I'm like, hey, I have the van, you know what I mean. He's gonna let me, uh, have some creative control, right, that's cool. And I'm like sure, and so it's already opening new creative horizons. I don't think it's going to add to the money aspect of it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:34:34

Of course, I mean, I hope so, but I don't think so. But I think it will definitely help streamline things be able to let me be on more sets without sacrificing family time, because all those prep days now can become extra shoot days and then so I still can maintain, you know that, the balance of family life relationship. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it, man. Uh, I was excited to show it to you because you hadn't seen it.

Doron Cadiente: 1:35:00

Uh, you know I was seeing it in the chats and I was like, oh man, he's got a new van, he's got a new house.

Vipul Bindra: 1:35:05

Yeah, oh shoot yeah, that old news now almost you know, uh, but yeah, no, I'm excited to share it. Funny enough, only the people who've been on the podcast have seen, and I'm excited to, uh, we're shooting a video in a week or two which I'm gonna ask you for free. Come on, help us out.

Vipul Bindra: 1:35:20

You know I'm down yeah, so but yeah, we're gonna make a just fun, I mean a video about it, um, and then share it. But so yeah, that's that's a goal, um, and we'll see how it it. But so yeah, that's that's a goal, and we'll see how it turns out, you know, yeah, so that's exciting. All right, doron. So what else man?

Doron Cadiente: 1:35:40

what's been going on in life? Yeah, you know, oh shoot, let's see here. Um well, 2025, right. Um, new year, new things. Um, yeah, I just really, you know, I just really want to be more intentional about about video this year. I feel like I'll have a lot more free time.

Doron Cadiente: 1:36:04

You know you're talking about time you know time with your family, but I think you know, after finishing school I feel like you know, there will be a lot more time on my hands to be able to dive deeper into video and I know that's been a you know a big conversation between us two, and I've leaned on you a lot about a lot of things in relation to that.

Vipul Bindra: 1:36:25

Which, by the way, I appreciate you trusting me. You know to, to, to, because you know, I don't know. I haven't never tried to exert myself as an authority or anything. Look, I'm like. Look, this is what I did. I'm happy to share because it worked right. Finally clicked in, I'm like why wouldn't I tell people look this is what I did when it finally worked right. So I've been always happy to decide, but I'm never like you know I'm the authority.

Vipul Bindra: 1:36:46

Look at listen to me, because I don't know everything and this is just one way of doing it. I've already had, like I mentioned earlier, so many people telling about different ways to get to the hypothetical six-figure plus number that people are looking for, and so, yeah, I really appreciate it and I feel honored in a way that you felt that I could provide any value to you.

Doron Cadiente: 1:37:09

Yeah, man, and I hope you doing this will only add to other people's lives as well with whoever sees it Exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:18

And it's going to help me too, because I get to hit up with so many coffee requests and all that. I'm like look, now I'm going to be able to be like I hate self-promotion stuff, but I'm going to be like just go listen to this, it's exactly what I'm going to tell you. Anyway, might as well just listen for free, right?

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:33

and also be able to be more productive and be on more set, because, anyway, I don't want to repeat myself, but yeah, that's the goal this year I'm going to be on more on set, you know, create more, uh. So anyway, going back to you, what you were saying so I feel honored is what I was saying this you considered me any kind of resource yeah, no, no, and I appreciate.

Doron Cadiente: 1:37:52

I think you're a good person, I think you know what you have going on here is is huge and uh, it, you know it's. It's great. It's a great, you know community that we have here in orlando.

Vipul Bindra: 1:38:01

Yeah, everyone knows, everyone I've told everyone when I was like oh, doron's coming, and they were like oh yeah, I've been on this shoot with him and I'll be on this shoot with him so you know it's not like uh, and I know you just a little bit discount yourself on this podcast, like, oh, it's a side thing, but you do enough shoots because everyone I know has been in some set or the other with you. So you know you are very active.

Vipul Bindra: 1:38:22

I mean not as active I'm sure when you know, uh, fully get into it, but you are still very active. You're still, you know, out there shooting and and creating content, which is what I was going to ask you. So how do you find do you have any fun comparisons, because you've been on so many shoots with other people that I work with, like I know, emmanuel you've shot something with and then you've shot with Adam, you've shot with me Any differences or are we all doing similar stuff or any? I don't know, I didn't know what. What from your perspective, having worked with other people that I have worked with separately, do you see any differences or contrasts or style differences In terms of like?

Vipul Bindra: 1:39:02

the shoot or Just tool style, just hanging out, I don't know, Trying to start controversy. No man, I can't do that. Tell me who's better. I can't do that. Tell me who's better. No.

Doron Cadiente: 1:39:13

I can't do that. No, it's honestly been a pleasure to you know work with all you guys.

Vipul Bindra: 1:39:16

Okay, don't give us political answers. That's not allowed here.

Doron Cadiente: 1:39:19

It's been awesome.

Vipul Bindra: 1:39:21

No, no, I'm not trying to do it that way, I'm just saying how is the set different? Because, you know, everyone is different obviously.

Doron Cadiente: 1:39:34

Yeah, so. So I think with emmanuel the the last one that I shot with him it was a while ago, um, but I think he was just trying to do.

Vipul Bindra: 1:39:37

I think he was trying to collect.

Doron Cadiente: 1:39:38

Yeah, like an ad, he was trying to collaborate with uh, you know different creators from that you know group um and uh, yeah, it was, uh, it was for, uh, I think we were making an ad for a motorcycle, right.

Doron Cadiente: 1:39:52

It was very fun, right, like we were just doing it for fun and we were able to light everything and it came out pretty good. I thought it was, and it was just good to work with someone new, because I had never worked with them before, which, again, which is why I was down to, you know, work with them to begin with you know, and Emmanuel was a cool guy.

Vipul Bindra: 1:40:12

Yeah, I think guy yeah him.

Doron Cadiente: 1:40:13

And what geo as well, geo, that's right geo, yeah, geo was there, um, but uh, yeah, I mean, that was cool. Again, it was unpaid, it was just, you know, out of our own free time um versus like with you. I've done a couple you know paid gigs with you um and uh. I mean, we've already talked a little bit about it, you know interviews and, uh, different event shoots as well.

Doron Cadiente: 1:40:37

Yeah, um, and then with adam, I've done quite a few shoots with him, um doing more, um, I think we've done, we've done quite a few med spas actually um, and it's been a little mix of like interview what's with med spine video?

Vipul Bindra: 1:40:52

I literally have my camera out on a rental with another friend really uh, he's about to yeah, bring that back after the podcast, and he's shooting a med spa. So, huh, that's maybe a market to target.

Doron Cadiente: 1:41:04

You know, a med spa, yeah yeah, yeah and and yeah, it was basically just you know some interviews. Um, I think we've done a couple testimon testimonials too. So some of their clients came in, we had the same interview set up and then we also did some B-roll of them actually doing like a procedure or whatever they had planned for that day. Yeah, super.

Vipul Bindra: 1:41:26

I wonder, pre-production would be nice. I'd be like let me show up, let me test the services before I can shoot them. Yeah, right, right would be nice. I'd be like let me show up, let me test the services before I can shoot them right.

Doron Cadiente: 1:41:34

But uh, I mean it, it was a good shoot. Uh, I, you know, adam, he's, he's killing it like he's. He's very organized and his shoots very professional and, um, I love the way that he handles his um handles his shoots. But, um, yeah, yeah, I med spas. That's a good gig, man.

Vipul Bindra: 1:41:53

Yeah, now the thing about I wasn't even thinking see you brought I'm already like my. My wheels are turning. That seems great, uh, but no, that's, I think, what's incredible about filmmaking, right, it's just collaborating with different people and learning from their styles, and I'm sure you're developing your own style, uh, learning for all these people that you're collaborating, man, until you know, you form your style, how to interact with. I'm pretty sure that's very important to the type of gigs you're doing right now and important how do you interact with brides, right, how to get them to see your vision or whatever. That is right, do you see? And then, yeah, definitely.

Doron Cadiente: 1:42:28

I feel like there's always something you know to take from those that you work with, and I mean that in a sense of like what they do. There's some things that you can emulate in your own business and what you do, and that's why I find benefit in collaboration. You know, working with people like you, adam Emmanuel, even if it's for free, you're always going to get something out of it yeah you know that's going to benefit you, even if it's not paid. Paid work yeah, um, and so you know, that's why I hate that.

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:00

I know you've done like, I think at least one of those for me and I'm like I don't know. It feels like taking advantage of someone.

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:06

That's why I like to pay the people something, because yeah, yeah because, at least to me and again it may just be again in my head I'm just like I don't. If you come for free, then I feel like I owe you something, but versus, if I pay you, then it's like I mean, I'm still happy for people to come and learn, right, but I at least I have felt that way personally, which is why I know you've offered a few, I'll come for I'm like you know what let me pay you, but I think you did initially.

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:29

That's how we started right. I think you did do a shoot with me at disney or something that was unpaid right, that's right yeah that was. That was fun shoot do you remember that any of it?

Doron Cadiente: 1:43:39

I do. Yeah, we were um, it was uh, what, what was some kind of event. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was some some event and, uh, I was running, I was running your, um, oh, what was it? The canon? Uh, you're running canon r5c.

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:52

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you were running your r5c in a gimbal. Oh, my goodness, that's a long time ago.

Doron Cadiente: 1:43:56

Yeah, uh, the battery life on that thing is terrible, terrible, terrible.

Vipul Bindra: 1:44:01

Yeah, now we're going back to that okay, not bad, I should let me not comment on it.

Doron Cadiente: 1:44:07

I don't even think I was about to say not bad image.

Vipul Bindra: 1:44:09

But then I was like yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean such an opposite thing, so funny. No, no, I mean we're going on a tangent yeah but I wanted to add those.

Vipul Bindra: 1:44:18

Um, you know, I had four c70s. Then I realized c70s were a little too much on gimbal for most people because, remember, I'm not operating it, I want people to get tired. So I sold two of the C70s and got two of the R5Cs and I was like, oh, that'd be a perfect combo. A, b, you know, and then C and D, gimbal cameras. Dude, the amount of problems I had with that camera, which, again, it was great. I liked the hybrid nature of it, that you could go to the cinema line, it had all the cinema stuff. But then the limitations, the limitations, the battery life issues, yeah, and then the weight wasn't that less that I thought it would be.

Vipul Bindra: 1:44:53

So, yeah, I was in and the operators weren't happy. I don't know if you remember, even if you liked it or not, probably not.

Doron Cadiente: 1:44:59

Which is why they got rid of it very fast. Yeah, yeah, I like Sony man, yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:45:08

Not as good as C70, though the battery of life was just.

Doron Cadiente: 1:45:11

I think I had to change that During that time that we were there.

Vipul Bindra: 1:45:16

I think I had to change the battery like three times. Which sounds very good for that camera.

Doron Cadiente: 1:45:23

The shoot was good. I would love to do more of those of course, I feel like that's another fun gig.

Vipul Bindra: 1:45:30

Plus Disney it was a Disney resort, so the all these nice places. Yeah, exactly, it was one of those rare instances where somebody was working Cause, you know, it was like I think what do you call like one of those partner events for me?

Doron Cadiente: 1:45:45

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:45:45

And so it's very rare for me to, you know, bring on people for free. So I was a little hesitant because again and that's more in me, not you I was like, ah, I don't want him to feel like I'm taking, but but you obviously volunteer, like no, no, I want to do it. And obviously you killed it. Um, you know, you were, you did great and I think you had hamza with you, it was really good too, too bad.

Vipul Bindra: 1:46:05

He went to new york, yeah, but anyway, but yeah. So. So you know, in a way I was like, ah, what am I doing? But but then on the other side, when you you know you were working, I was like, oh, that's awesome, he's getting good content and hopefully, um, I hired you a few times after that, so you know, you got some money yeah, exactly, man, and I think that was the first shoot that I like, the first event shoot like that that I've ever shot before you know to to be a part of which that's high pressure to go to dis and so the events, you've never, I mean, done.

Doron Cadiente: 1:46:31

That it was uh, it was great. You know, I'm pretty sure in that room you were hanging out with like all the big wigs of uh business in in florida, because yeah, it was like a business networking event, right, yeah, yeah, we were able to do, uh, you know, do some some little uh snippets of you know, little mini interviews, yeah, so that was kind of cool. That's pretty pretty cool.

Vipul Bindra: 1:46:51

Yeah, I'd completely forgotten about that. Now that you know we're talking about it, I'm like, yeah, that was an incredible fun night and that's how we kind of started this working relationship. So you never know, you know where it starts and where it goes and where it ends up. But anyway, and that also reminds me of the, like you said, the horrible time of the r5c's man getting and getting rid of them was tough. They were brand new.

Vipul Bindra: 1:47:12

You know, I pre-ordered them and, uh, we only used them a little bit and then trying to get rid of them, oh, my goodness, nobody wanted it. And I'm like this camera just came out and, yeah, I had to, like, uh, make some efforts to get rid of them, which is crazy, you would think. You know people want canon cameras and, opposite of c70 by the, I love the C70 image. So it was surprising to me how good this one camera is from the same brand, minus the hinge issues. That's the only thing negative on the C70. Anyway, and then the R5C, which was a terrible nightmare, but hey, I've moved to Sony camp, that kind of.

Doron Cadiente: 1:47:47

Finally, was like Welcome to the dark side. Yeah, I know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:47:49

And plus a lot of the agencies I worked with, we were already renting, you know, sometimes Sony cameras, so they were already like asking for a lot of FX6 and FX3 anyway. So, yeah, I finally was like you know what F this? I mean, I don't care, you know, let me just because you know, whatever.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:06

It just was a big cost. To be real, I'm not canon fan or sony fanboy or whatever. So I was just like this is going to be huge to get rid of all the lens lineup. I had all the ef and all of the rf lenses and at that point, like I said, it was two r5cs and two c70s and now I have to sell all of that and acquire everything sony again. You know all the gm lenses and yeah, that was. That was not fun, but again, they paid for themselves. What's crazy is, within the month of acquiring them, uh, they paid for themselves I was everywhere, every and, funny enough, all shoots were like using all the cameras.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:43

There were always multi-cams and I was like this is crazy, so the demand is so high. Obviously I was doing my own gigs anyway, um, but then I was able to do client work, and then the and then all these agencies were.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:55

They started flooding me with work as soon as I was like, yeah, we have these and they're available, like to go any minute, and they were like, oh, here's an interview, here's this, here's that, and I'm like, hmm, that's, it's just crazy, but that's, that's good for business, right? So that's awesome, man. Well, I wanted to thank you for coming as we wrap this up. Anything else you want to talk about? Any other fun stories? Anything you want to ask me? I don't know, I don't know.

Doron Cadiente: 1:49:18

Uh, I know yeah, well, I mean, uh, how much, how much time do we have, man?

Vipul Bindra: 1:49:23

I mean, we have as much time as you want, but I mean it's almost time to wrap up, but yeah, if you have anything, please um yeah, this is your opportunity.

Doron Cadiente: 1:49:30

I don't know yeah, uh, if you're gonna say to the audience, ask me, tell us any story, please, man um no, I think, uh, you know, I think, if, if anybody's in a similar situation as myself with you know juggling, you know school and a job and you know video as well, I think it's definitely possible. Uh, obviously everyone has their own path, but, um, it's definitely doable.

Vipul Bindra: 1:49:57

So yeah, and you're doing it with nursing most people may not be in school. That's that hard right, yeah it's not even harder you know, like, but but you know it's, it's definitely possible.

Doron Cadiente: 1:50:07

It's just a matter of you know what your intentions are and acknowledging those intentions and then acting through.

Vipul Bindra: 1:50:13

Yeah, and what I like about you is that you're not just doing video as a hobby. Right, you have paid clients. You're getting paid to go shoot these weddings or commercial, or whatever, whatever work you're doing so this is legit.

Vipul Bindra: 1:50:30

Like you can go make a very healthy living. Like you said, this year's plan 10 to 15 weddings, that's 50 to 70 and that's low end of here the budget that you are trying to aim for 5k, that's going to be 50 to 75k of side money, right, right. So it can definitely be done and you just have to be intentional about it, right definitely, man.

Doron Cadiente: 1:50:51

I think that's the big thing. You know, just if you have, you have the goals you know, if you have the vision, take the risk right and do it. You know, yeah, if there is anything that you know to be risky with you know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:05

I know I talked at the beginning about being you know secure, you know just be risky on your, on your intentions and I love how people can see the contrast and pick their own choice. To be real, what you, you're doing is very safe. Right, it's a safe choice. Nursing is a very safe job and, uh, uh, obviously filmmaking is a good money maker, but it can't, it's not that. So you're having both. You know it's very secure. But versus me, when I did this, I had a kid, you know, and I and on top of that, me just, and I had a very good, you know, well-paying job and I let go of everything and I go okay, now I'm going to just do this full-time business, which you know who knows, you know how this is going to go.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:55

Plus, you know there's no security in this at all. One month you could have so much work. Next month you have no work, or whatever. Uh. So it was such a huge risk. Plus, you know, I was pouring every money I have into this in the initial investment. So it's a complete opposite. I'm saying is like there was all risk. It was like it's gonna work or it's not gonna work. But it was all in. There was no, there was no backup plan.

Vipul Bindra: 1:52:09

Because once I went in, I was like, no, we're going in, and I was just recruiting everyone that I knew who could help, like, hey, you, you're good, you, you, you have a grammy right, can you do audio for me? Oh, you, you're this, you've camera operation skills, sure. Then I even had friends. I was like, oh, you don't know how to do anything. Good, here's a camera, you can do bts, because I don't care if they screw up, right. But I was in, I was including everyone in there. I was like, no, no, this is gonna be huge. And here I am, you know, like in my brain going uh, this doesn't work out. Then you know. But what I'm saying is and now and there could be a balanced approach to I think just people have to carve out their own journey, right?

Vipul Bindra: 1:52:44

and I'm saying there's nothing wrong with either, or because you're making a good living, uh, doing what you're doing and and still be able to maintain, be able to still do your passion of video and here I am going all in and still be able to do this thing of video and, I think, anyone listening. You just have to be intentional about it and carve out a path. Obviously, it's one thing to be risky, but another thing to be reckless. Please don't be reckless.

Doron Cadiente: 1:53:13

Absolutely man.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:13

And plus that's how I, how I am, I'm obsessive, so I just went all in doesn't mean that was the right decision I mean now, it was now to think back but doesn't mean it'll work for everyone. So I also like your strategy of safe plus. It's working, so why change it? You know, and I'm so glad you did it and uh, can't wait to you know, know, a nurse, you know that'd be, that'd be so cool. I mean, I don't know, uh, hopefully I don't have to see you.

Doron Cadiente: 1:53:36

Which is funny in this profession.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:37

I'm like uh, I hope I don't have to see you, but you know it's at least good to know someone who's uh, who's doing this?

Doron Cadiente: 1:53:42

yeah man.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:43

Um, so yeah, thanks, man. I really appreciate you for coming and sharing your insights.

Doron Cadiente: 1:53:47

Yeah, of course, before we go.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:49

Do you want to shout out people? You're any. Where are you more active? Your instagram, youtube, whatever? Tell people where they can come follow you yeah, yeah.

Doron Cadiente: 1:53:56

So, uh, um, my website is uh caddyfilmscom, that's c-a-d-d-i filmscom, and then, um, on my social media oni primarily use instagram. It's at caddyfil, um, and then, uh, another goal of mine is to to start using YouTube more, uh, this year. So, um, same thing, you can find me, uh caddy films on on YouTube.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:21

What do you want to do on YouTube this year?

Doron Cadiente: 1:54:23

Um, right now, honestly, um, I just want to use that as a a way to just make mini short films, okay, so, um fashion projects yeah, man, uh just just very short, like mini, mini, uh short films. So anywhere between, like what, two to five minutes something like that.

Doron Cadiente: 1:54:44

So um and uh, yeah, see where it takes me. You know, just get in just intentional and uh be consistent on youtube, because I've seen a lot of uh consistent people on there and they've actually had a nice uh return yeah, no, exactly, as long as you're consistent about it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:59

And again, that's just anything right. We talked two hours about it be consistent, be intentional and you'll find success in anything as long as you know you, you give it your all and, uh, I can't wait to see all that. I'm'm subscribed to you, so I can't wait to see whatever content you make and I'm looking forward to it. I'm also looking forward to collaborating. You know, we've collaborated every year since we met, which was, I mean, only a couple of years ago, so we definitely have to, you know, make projects this year again.

Doron Cadiente: 1:55:35

So I will still be reaching out to you.

Vipul Bindra: 1:55:36

Likewise, if something comes up, you know I would love to have you on my side again. I mean forever. As long as you're willing to come, I mean you're welcome man, all right, thank you, doron, it's been a pleasure. Thank you, sir, absolutely.