Vipul Bindra: 0:04

Quintin, thank you for coming. My friend, I really appreciate you finding the time and coming over. It's always fun hanging out with you and, like we were talking, the purpose of this podcast I wanted to start for years is just to talk the conversations that I want to have with industry professionals so I can learn more. Hopefully you learn something out of it and people watching will hopefully get any value out of it at least some entertainment hearing us goof off around for a couple hours. So, like I said, thank you for coming. I'm excited. Um, how's things been, man?

Quintin Sanders: 0:38

um, things have been good. You know, this year. This time of the year, rather, is really thought-provoking for me. You know ideas come to mind. What do I want to do for the next 6, 12, 15 months? So it's a little different. The past few years I haven't had many new ideas of things I wanted to try, but it seems like two months ago, everything just do this, do this, do this, do this. So it's now like trying to keep track of everything that I thought of and making it happen.

Vipul Bindra: 1:16

So what do you think made that switch?

Quintin Sanders: 1:20

Probably my work, the last 12 months probably, is what you know. What did it um?

Vipul Bindra: 1:27

because this last year, you know, yeah, it was vastly different from any other year in fact you've been traveling a lot doing work for the ministry, making videos all over the world. I mean, it's sometimes to be real. I kind of get you know, I'm not jealous of that many people, but I do get envious. I'm like oh quentin's getting paid to, because you know I get paid to travel a lot, but it's always in the us. You, on the other hand, I'm like going to these countries getting these new experiences. So I got a little envious but I'm happy for you. Man. How was that compared to previous years?

Quintin Sanders: 1:55

uh, um you know, traveling the whole world, learning I think, um, before I wasn't really into traveling much. You know I could care less what you know other countries are doing. Like I'm cool here in America, right, but going different places and seeing how different people live, how they view Americans, how to interact with people you've never really met before, I thought that was cool. Doing the work is always fun. But there was this one project this year that challenged me in a different way. So I think I told you before, but the ministry that I was working with is doing something different. They were doing all of their initiatives in one place, and so the idea was to make a doc all of it.

Quintin Sanders: 2:53

And so person in charge goes hey, we're going to do this and you're going to do this, this and this, and also, just because you know the way timelines worked out, it's like you're going at week one or whatever. And he goes well, could you go earlier? Well, it was kind of both of our ideas to go earlier. So I'm like, yeah, I'll go earlier. And so I'm producing, shooting, directing all of it, and I'm in country for the first two and a half weeks by myself. Well, with a partner with Santa.

Vipul Bindra: 3:30

But, I was the one in charge of which. By the way, we know somebody named Santa. His actual name is Santa, I got to have him on the podcast. Man, we can just talk two hours.

Quintin Sanders: 3:41

If you want a world traveler, he is the world traveler. It was very obnoxious at the airport the way he would operate versus the way I would operate. I'm dressed comfortably, ready to get on a 13, 14, 16-hour flight. He's dressed like he's going 30 minutes down the road.

Vipul Bindra: 4:01

I guess he's used to it then, yeah.

Quintin Sanders: 4:03

Right, but it's not what you would think. Two-piece suit oh wow, cummerbund. I feel like he had on at some point and then when we went into the lounges that he has access to, he's looking for a partner at the airport or something the, the lounges that we went into. I could understand why he was dressed that way. Oh, we're talking about, like the new centurion lounge that opened up in atlanta that lounge. I felt like I didn't make enough to go in there, which is crazy, because you make pretty good money yeah, yeah but but yeah, I know, I see it.

Vipul Bindra: 4:37

Yeah, because the people, um, you know, I've been, I've been told about lounges like so much by so many people. I don't know why. It's just my mental state is like I just go, you know, one stop to next stop to step top. Maybe this year I'll try and change my attitude and maybe because I do have priority pass and everything. I just have never bothered to really go to lounges and stuff. But you know it'd be nice especially with the amount of time I spend at the airport.

Quintin Sanders: 5:01

I think it's Orlando's airport that doesn't really make you want to because you're so close to home. It's like TSA pre-check, clear, all of it. So it's like show up 30, 45 minutes before your flight. Yeah. You walk right on through to your gate.

Vipul Bindra: 5:18

And you're not worried about it. Plus. Plus we don't even have a Centura lounge or anything. No, but I mean there are other lounges at the airport.

Quintin Sanders: 5:25

But I think here it just doesn't make you want to, but other places it's like well, you got a four-hour layover, especially like an airport like Atlanta.

Vipul Bindra: 5:34

It's horrible.

Quintin Sanders: 5:35

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 5:36

Sorry, anyone watching.

Quintin Sanders: 5:38

But, yeah, I hate that airport. So going there I was like, yeah, okay, now enough of lounges. Um, yeah, no, the traveling this year, the things it's been, it's been cool. Um, seeing different places, experiencing some things, challenging myself in different places, you know, shooting on a new camera platform that you know. So I think that was that was cool and yeah you, welcome to the welcome to the gang.

Vipul Bindra: 6:05

You finally switched to fx6 there, which is funny. I only switched to sony a few years ago, but it was a massive change and it was definitely worthwhile for business. Um, what was your reasoning? Was it just a this project with the ministry? Or I think well or just hearing all of us talk about it, like what made you want to finally get one?

Quintin Sanders: 6:21

I realized. I realized that sony for most people is the standard these days. However, you know me and black magic, we're tight, yeah. And so, um, I knew that sony would probably be a good business move we spoke about on the phone, but I just wasn't sure. And so when this project came up and it was like, hey, you get the camera, it gets rented, probably pays itself off, I'm like, well, I can't really say no to that exactly yeah, because money. Money's either coming to me or someone else yeah exactly so.

Quintin Sanders: 7:01

That's why I switched. But I realized realized spending two months in Uganda shooting that, that I don't know of many other cameras that I could have shot with and got what I got. You know, like sure we can shoot with anything and really get something that looks good, but standing in the back of a truck filming another truck going 80 miles an hour down the road is probably not the easiest thing to do. But sony's autofocus kind of made it exactly easier to do just like everyone else.

Vipul Bindra: 7:34

You know, years ago I was filmmaking stops. I was like, oh, autofocus, who needs that? You know, I was very much panasonic at that time. Gh4, gh5s, eva lens, all whatever they had. And trust me, as soon as my and then I switched to canon, I turned, I bought a bunch of c200s, I'm telling you. I turned that on and I was like what have I been doing? Because it's not like the.

Vipul Bindra: 7:54

Um. Uh, you know, autofocus has its use, is what I'm saying. When I finally actually got a good working autofocus, I was like, oh you know, this can actually be a beneficial thing. It doesn't make it any less you know um of you, of a filmmaker of you. So it's incredible. So you would say you've got your roi back. Has the camera paid for? So, yes, and how long did you own it? Hold on, hold on, we're gonna touch that. You've owned it for how many months?

Vipul Bindra: 8:20

uh six so in six months a six grand camera has paid for itself. I mean, that's tell hey, can you say that for any black magic camera?

Vipul Bindra: 8:31

no see, that's my point. I don't even like and see again controversial take. I personally don't like sony cameras. However, switching to sony was one of the best business decisions because, from what I hear, either clients don't give a crap about what you're using, or they want Sony on the mid to low end, or they want Alexa on the high end. They don't want, in the corporate and commercial world, reds and black magics and canons anymore. Very rarely I've had one request for Canon, like three years. You know, either they didn't care or they specifically were like we want to use canon and I've never heard anyone ask for a black magic camera. I personally like black magic equipment. You know I have eight time so just sitting here. I have nothing against black magic but it just doesn't make the money.

Quintin Sanders: 9:15

At least that's what I found in the field that I work in I would say, okay, not in six months did my cameras pay themselves off. But I'd say actually some have, and the way I operate in procuring equipment is a little different than other people and so, yeah, most of my camera gets paid off 12, 15 months at the most, because I'm not paying full price for anything yeah, you're probably buying used and you're also making smart decisions, obviously that, and we can get into, obviously, the business side of you, which is good.

Vipul Bindra: 9:51

But what I'm saying is normally I'm very much like buy whatever camera they all produce about decent image, nowadays it doesn't really matter. But if you want to get hired on other productions, if it's all your productions, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3: 10:03

Buy you a big system, buy you whatever you like, who cares?

Vipul Bindra: 10:07

Buy you an iPhone put in a big box, I mean, who knows what's inside of that? But but I do think if you are going to get hired in the corporate world, fx6 is the best investment you can make, and then maybe an FX3 is a B camera and I think you can pretty much do most talking, hand B roll type of rolls that you get, or travel or conferences or any of that. Would you say that now that you've used it, you think it's versatile enough to do all that?

Quintin Sanders: 10:34

I mean, I'm sitting here thinking between another FX6 and FX3.

Vipul Bindra: 10:39

Yeah, which is a good thought process.

Quintin Sanders: 10:41

Yeah, so that's where I'm at, and the only reason I'm going back and forth between the two and not just getting another FX6, which is my first idea is because traveling, you know, the Ethiopian airport is not the easiest to bring gear into.

Quintin Sanders: 11:01

Yeah, Tell me about that story because that was interesting to me okay, so basically we flew in and we had, you know, serialized all of our equipment and we're going through so they wanted you to do it, or you guys did it just to safety well, the way we got approval to bring certain things in like a drone into the country.

Vipul Bindra: 11:24

Oh, so you got to get approval.

Quintin Sanders: 11:26

So the governing body said, hey, do all these things. We did all those things. We figure we're going through. Hey, no problem, we go through our secondary screening that you know all airports and other places do. And they're like I'm to the side, they look through all of our stuff. We give them the list. We're like I'm to the side, they look through all of our stuff, we give them the list. We're like, hey, cool, no problem. Letters with official seals on it, everything. And they still take inventory. They say, hey, we're going to take everything for the night come back in the morning, pick it up.

Vipul Bindra: 11:57

Gives me nightmares thinking about parting with my video equipment.

Quintin Sanders: 12:02

Now I mean it's customs.

Vipul Bindra: 12:03

so it's not like joe schmo, but still yes and yeah, you don't have a choice at that point right.

Quintin Sanders: 12:10

So it's like what you do, you have to do it, and so come back the next day and they're like oh, by the way, uh, this is going to be 22 000, just to get 22 us yes, thousand dollars and okay, it wasn't just come back the next day. This is the amount it was.

Vipul Bindra: 12:27

Come back the next day, spend all day in the airport Still didn't, and you didn't have to shoot that day looking right, okay Still didn't get any answers.

Quintin Sanders: 12:35

I had to go back a third day, and it wasn't until that we got everything situated. Now, mind you, by that third day I was supposed to be already halfway across the country. Yeah, but I had to wait to get this all situated, and so we basically got half of the equipment out and were still able to do everything we needed to do.

Vipul Bindra: 12:57

So you could only get half because you only wanted to pay half. That's basically.

Quintin Sanders: 13:01

Right, so the available money for everything that needed to be done was like what makes the most sense? Okay, ten thousand makes the most sense, so we paid that to get production company?

Vipul Bindra: 13:12

obviously I know it wasn't your money, but did the ministry or the production company get the 10 grand back or no? Did they keep that?

Quintin Sanders: 13:18

last I heard they were still working on it.

Vipul Bindra: 13:22

Oh my goodness, let's see, this makes me not want to complain, because I do sometimes complain. Traveling so much makes me not want to complain because my worst, my problem, is the airline gonna let me pre-board versus. That sounds like a nightmare, uh, having to deal with plus the the idea that you don't even have all the equipment you brought there.

Quintin Sanders: 13:42

Uh, because they want exorbitant money to I would say, though, that the, the drone was definitely a red flag for them, even though we had different permissions um the dollar amount of the equipment, because, basically they see everything you have, they're like oh, it's video equipment, okay, we're gonna take it, go through it, yeah. And once they looked up everything to give me a number they realized how much everything costs and they're like wow yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 14:08

Do you think it could have been um better for the production company or the ministry to just rent equipment locally? Or no especially once they found out they needed to do all this, extra steps to to bring the equipment it depends on what you can source locally, and I mean the way that they usually do things.

Quintin Sanders: 14:25

It's like not sourcing anything in country, bringing it all in so that you know you have it yeah and most times, most scenarios, you don't have that many problems. I would say, though, that probably the fx3 wouldn't have given as many problems to me in that situation, because that's what I'm thinking about getting into this?

Quintin Sanders: 14:43

yeah, no, makes sense but this is the first time, like we're just gonna go all fx6s, why not? Yeah um, so yeah, I mean between me and the person that I traveled with we had four fx6s, okay, and the other guys who were coming in separately also somebody else adam oh adam oh Adam.

Quintin Sanders: 15:04

Yeah, so he had two in his case, I had two in mine. Now I did have a Pelican case and we know sometimes those will attract unwanted attention in different countries, but because I had already spent two months with cameras on my back in Uganda and this trip was not too far after I'm like I really don't want to do that again. Yeah cameras on my back in uganda and this trip was not too far after. I'm like I really don't want to do that again yeah, but should have now.

Quintin Sanders: 15:27

Would that have helped? I don't know, because these cases all went through the same x-ray machine anyway, so they may have probably pulled you.

Vipul Bindra: 15:35

Yeah, that that I have heard of stories. I have not been through a scenario like that, but, uh, that's what makes me very you know, uh, about international travel, to be real again, I'm such a focused into corporate and commercial work that I don't really get that many requests. Now I do have international clients, but they come from their country here and hire me obviously, so I haven't had that experience. But that just gives me, even, like I said, thinking about it, nightmares. And, like I said, you don't have that much of a choice at that point because you know you're here to to make content, you're, you know you have to do what you have to do, um, but that's, that's um, you know anyway, nightmare of a situation but on your side, at least it wasn't your money, right?

Quintin Sanders: 16:16

so basically yeah, yeah, so you're not as worried about it.

Vipul Bindra: 16:20

Um good, when, when you know you're the shooter, I guess I'm at the production company. I'm like, oh, that'd be, that'd be a nightmare, but awesome. But at least you got a great experience out of it, right? You went to all these countries. You met all these people, tried their food. Did you like it Anything?

Quintin Sanders: 16:37

Um, I'm not a foodie, so I really kept it safe with the food I tried just because, like you said, if they do their job, get sick you can't work.

Vipul Bindra: 16:47

Yeah, exactly. And so I kept it simple with things that I'm familiar with things that you can't really mess up, no matter where you go, you know, so Were you eating pizza?

Quintin Sanders: 16:58

I did. Here's the thing Everyone knows by now who has gone. I'm trying the pizza there. I'm not expecting it to be good. However, I'm going to try it.

Vipul Bindra: 17:07

That's the only thing that I experimented with what's the weirdest thing they had on pizza Any topping that you saw at least on the menu that you were like what that makes no sense Pepperoni.

Quintin Sanders: 17:19

Okay, they'd say pepperoni, but it wasn't pepperoni. It's whatever they decided. Pepperoni was depending on where you were.

Vipul Bindra: 17:26

Oh wow. So it's not even pepperoni, huh no something else. Interesting.

Quintin Sanders: 17:32

Some other sliced leaf and meat that they chose.

Vipul Bindra: 17:36

That just means pepperoni there, basically. Wow, did any country give you ketchup with your pizza? I've seen that happens internationally. No, they give you their with your pizza.

Quintin Sanders: 17:44

I've seen that happens internationally. They know their pizza with ketchup, no, but there's been some really thin pastes that are like barely anything, and then there's been some really rich, you know sauce that's not really sauce.

Vipul Bindra: 17:58

So so you can't even trust on your regular pizza. Yeah, to find safe food man at least I would have had great time, because I love ethiopian food, like we're talking about. I would have loved to um, uh, you know eat actual ethiopian food in ethiopia, which luckily we're in orlando, so we have some good ethiopian restaurants where we can get decent, you know I've tried like the, the, the meats, like steak.

Quintin Sanders: 18:23

I always try steak and it's usually safe enough to eat well for my person um, so I'll always try the steak and one or two different things and I'll find a few things that work and just eat that for the week or two that I'm there, for the three, four, five, six, seven weeks that I'm there, um, and I also bring snacks. You know, half my suit, half of one suitcase, is full of snacks. Full of snacks.

Speaker 3: 18:48

Look at that nobody gave you customs, didn't give you a problem. For that they want half your chocolates. You know bribery I would have given it but I'm telling you that's what I've learned.

Vipul Bindra: 18:58

You know, on as a producer side, that's exactly what I've learned. You know, it doesn't matter what you're paying anyone, if they don't have good food or good snacks, at the end of the day they're not liking the production. So that's just. It is just what it is like. I still remember, uh, the first production we did together. Julie packed the snacks because she was a producer and I think she put like, uh, uh, I don't remember what, but you were like did you pack this for your kids or something? I, something like that, you said, and I was like what? Because you're like there's apples and you know bananas or whatever, like actual fruit in there. I thought it was healthy, but you weren't happy about it. Do you remember that? It's been a while, though? I know it was two, three, three years ago, maybe at least even more.

Quintin Sanders: 19:37

I don't remember exactly how that went, but sounds like something I would say. And in that situation, no, I would have probably been fine with it. But it was just a little surprising to me, because most guys you know when you, when they call you and say, hey, I need you for a shoot, you know you're going, you're going to do the shoot. Now I have people who will buy lunch after, but not bring snacks for the shoot.

Quintin Sanders: 20:00

Um, now, that's something I like to do myself now yeah, um, but yeah no, there's not a lot of people that do that, oh interesting.

Vipul Bindra: 20:09

No, I find like, like I said, that's my experience, if you bring snaps, people happy I'm always happy. Now I won't bring it for like a half day shoot. You know, if it's like a quick do a talking head or like the ones we've done like kia center, whatever, like obviously I'm not bringing snacks, they won't let us take them in anyway. But yeah, anything I'm doing longer. Um, I'll bring some kind of snacks.

Vipul Bindra: 20:27

Obviously belches is a you know thing among filmmakers for some reason but anyway any kind of snacks just because I find the crew is happier when you have some kind of snacks for them to to have, especially during the downtime, because, like you said, food you know, can sometimes be a rare thing, even though obviously I'm ready. I've planned for lunch a lot of times shoots are running behind lunch is delayed or whatever, but even then I try to at least when we do get to lunch, um feed everyone, something that you know everyone likes, because I again I wanted the crew to be happy as long as you have a beverage of my choice, for me i'm'm good, which is what?

Vipul Bindra: 21:05

What's your choice of beverage? Huh Beer. No I don't know, I'm just kidding.

Quintin Sanders: 21:12

I don't consume alcohol.

Vipul Bindra: 21:14

Oh, that's good to know.

Quintin Sanders: 21:15

I mean you can count. I was thinking about it the other day. I was like you can count, probably on one hand, the amount of times per year that I would drink alcohol same thing.

Vipul Bindra: 21:23

Same. Uh, that's awesome. I didn't. Uh, it sounds like we have something talked about. But yeah, same for me. I don't. I don't really like to drink now. I will networking events. I'll socially, yeah, socially but even then, I'm just walking around with the same thing for all night you know, maybe a sip or two, but I'm not, I don't.

Quintin Sanders: 21:37

I don't really like to drink either, so that's awesome I mean, for me it's it makes me drowsy, yeah, so I'm like I don't want to be drowsy, so so what it was.

Vipul Bindra: 21:46

So what is your beverage of choice? What makes you happy?

Quintin Sanders: 21:49

and said you're not sponsored. You're not sponsored by anybody. No, no, we don't peddle anything on this podcast.

Vipul Bindra: 21:54

I'm not trying to sell anything. This is free entertainment. Slash education for anyone, if so, from people who are actually I have I have.

Quintin Sanders: 22:02

I actually have like my preferences, but I also also have my. Don't give me that. So, Zephyr Hills water, don't give me that?

Vipul Bindra: 22:11

What about Dasani? Everyone for some reason needs Dasani. Dasani is fine for me.

Quintin Sanders: 22:15

I'm thinking about the bottles that are in the stores in New York. You know you got Poland Spring. You know you can. If you, if you give me a bottle of poland spring water on the floor to shoot, I'll kiss you um, but you know the smart water, you know well the decent.

Vipul Bindra: 22:30

So I've had people say water. Look at clinton, you're like no, I don't want, just water, I want now there's specific water don't give me sparkling water.

Quintin Sanders: 22:38

I don't do that, but I'll do a seltzer, you know that's sweet.

Vipul Bindra: 22:43

I mean seltzer, that's sweet. A little sweetness to it, um but you know that's sweet.

Quintin Sanders: 22:45

I mean seltzer is that's sweet, a little sweetness to it. But you know, I mean Red Bull is always a welcome thing.

Vipul Bindra: 22:51

You know, just you know normal Coke, whatever.

Quintin Sanders: 22:54

But, don't give me a Coke Zero, I don't want it.

Vipul Bindra: 22:57

I'm addicted to these. I need this.

Quintin Sanders: 22:59

Yeah. When you said, hey, do you want a Coke Zero, I Do you want a Coke Zero, I said no, I'll take water instead.

Vipul Bindra: 23:03

See, it's like the hardest thing, right? I want a Coke but I don't want all that sugar. That's the closest thing, because Diet Coke is not the same thing. I know people love it, but anyway that's the closest thing for me and I'm kind of addicted. I'm trying to get away from them, you know, but that's like the way I get my caffeine nowadays.

Speaker 3: 23:18

Anyway enough about but drinking which we're not even talking about real drinks, so it sounds like you had an incredible year.

Vipul Bindra: 23:27

Financially, you're doing really good comparatively to. You know what we've talked about, like you're doing incredibly. You traveled the world, you bought the camera that has demand and now you're also….

Quintin Sanders: 23:40

A lot more than that, a lot more than just the camera. So, since it sounds like this is where you're also, a lot more than that, a lot more than just the camera. So, since it sounds like this is where you're going, anyway, this year I think I've probably bought a lot of equipment that I know won't even pay itself off for another two years, but that that's in mind because I know there's some building to the new customer base that I'm looking for, and so I know it's not going to happen tomorrow.

Vipul Bindra: 24:09

Okay.

Quintin Sanders: 24:10

So I have the expectation that, hey, some of this stuff.

Vipul Bindra: 24:12

So, besides the FX six, what is that? Give me some some name.

Quintin Sanders: 24:17

I mean, since you're not allergic to black magic, here we go. No, I love black magic, here we go. No, I love black, so in total resolve is the best. In total now I have three broadcast ursas. I'm looking to get two more. Um, I obviously have, you know, a pocket cinema camera, six hair pro, whatever. Um, thinking about getting a few more of those. The studio space we spoke about, so I'm looking to get into some of those studio cameras, okay, um, they're going all into black magic I'm all in. Yeah, I'm already.

Quintin Sanders: 24:47

You were already in, but now you're going even more in yeah, um, on the back end, you know, different switches the constellation before me to me so essentially all into the live production anything besides live that you bought or no this year minus the fx6 anything else not really

Vipul Bindra: 25:04

yeah, so so tell me this, uh, obviously, yes, so, exactly where I was going, you knew it. So you're, you're into live production, right, and obviously you're going all into that, which is amazing, by the way, I love that, I love live production. Luckily, uh, and you know this story, but people haven't heard it. But I uh, literally before the pandemic pandemic hit well, at least, uh, mainly, it hit, you know, april when the whole america shut down, whatever. So in january, this is um, at least we hadn't heard about the pandemic in america.

Vipul Bindra: 25:35

So I go um to julia. I'm like, look, you know, obviously we're doing really great. We started this production company. Things are getting here's next for us. So you know, like you know, you're thinking something like this year this is january, beginning of year I'm like we're gonna get into live production. Interesting, that's random. But I'm like, yep, that's what I'm doing. So I called into my partner I think adorama was where I was purchasing most gear at that time. So I called the person I, he made a huge investment, I bought all the equipment and, uh, you know, obviously learned myself, because I didn't know anything about live production at the time, just watching videos and stuff, and guess what happens everything shows that everything shows up but what people need.

Vipul Bindra: 26:12

So, while other people were like, oh, I, I don't know what to do, and I'm like, oh, we're killing because we're doing this. So it's kind of the timing couldn't have been better, and so at that year, obviously 80 of my work was mostly live, I would say. What's crazy, though, is when I thought the demand would go away, like the pandemic went away, we'll go back to regular production. We did go back to regular production, but live just never went fully away. So I still have been doing 40, 45%, I would say, of my work in live. We still do a lot of live events. So that's incredible to me. You're going all live in live, you know, into live. So what? What brought your love for that, or why are you going all in?

Quintin Sanders: 26:52

well, why am I going all in? Because if not now, then when you know you can talk about all you want, but if you don't do it, then you're just talking about it for the rest of so purchasing. This year went all in, but I've been incrementally working towards that personally with equipment.

Vipul Bindra: 27:09

So take me back though. When did you start and why, or av, or whatever you want to I think for a lot of people it started in church.

Quintin Sanders: 27:18

Uh, close to 10 years ago, you know. Actually, yes, it started in church and school, high school, um. So you know, it was more of the theater club thing. Basically, tech was always a thing for me. And so when getting involved in the tech at the school um, you know, learning how to use lights, you're learning how to do audio and everything in the school and auditorium there's only a few of us that knew how to do it. So basically we were default for any events. And so when theater club was like they're doing a performance this year, the person in charge was like you guys are now part of the theater group. I was like, no, we're not. I was like, yeah, no, you are, because you are the only ones who can do this. And I was like, yeah, no, you are because you are the only ones who can do this. And so that kind of got me interested into live event tech.

Quintin Sanders: 28:08

And then, you know, I forgot what phone it was at the time, but you know, I had a camera and I'm like, okay, I'm going to put this camera in the back of the church, I'm going to film it, and so I did that and that got me interested. Then, at the same time, I'm like, okay, like, okay, you know, this is the year I want to buy a camera, and the t3i was maybe like this was 2014, 2014, and so t3i was old at that point already, but it was still decent enough. And so I'm like, okay, I think I want a t3i.

Quintin Sanders: 28:40

At the time, everyone on youtube was saying buy a t3i. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get a t3i. And so I time, everyone on YouTube was saying buy a T3i. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get a T3i. And so I had two jobs that summer and I was saving, and a friend of mine who is a drummer and was also in tech and everything else. His brother had an extra camera that he wasn't using and so his brother, let me borrow that camera. It was a Panasonic Handycam, but it had a 4k what year was it?

Quintin Sanders: 29:07

2014 oh he gave me the camera and the tripod, didn't ask any questions. I said here, you can use it. He didn't tell me two weeks, three weeks, he just said here, use it. So I was using that. And then I bought a t3i so I had two cameras. Um, just using it, practicing with it and, you know, trying to film anything I could get my hands on.

Quintin Sanders: 29:30

You know, dancing, church stuff, whatever yeah and, um, going to live concert stuff, I'm like, okay, I want to do that, now I want to be the guy behind that camera, so, working on finding you know, how do I get to be that guy? Um, and then getting to that point where I was that guy and doing those, um, you know, different corporate conferences and different events, and then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna be that guy now, the guy who's directing. So how do I get to be that guy? I the guy who's directing.

Quintin Sanders: 30:04

So how do I get to be that guy? I'm like, well, now I got to figure out how to be that guy and so that's kind of the way I've operated is I want to do this. How do I do this?

Vipul Bindra: 30:13

Yeah.

Quintin Sanders: 30:13

Work to doing this.

Vipul Bindra: 30:14

Essentially, that's an incredible journey, though, by the way, my first Canon camera 2012 T4i you know, I remember how expensive that was to me. At that time I was like, oh, you know, I also had a job, so this was a side freelance thing. So I was like, oh, this is, it's so expensive. And now that I think about it that's like come on uh, but you know again time but it was incredible that's.

Vipul Bindra: 30:36

That's where I learned all the autofocus, all the stuff, and then I left it, obviously because it wasn't that good back in the day, and then penasonic. But uh though, that's incredible, man, hearing your journey and makes sense why you would be into life, because that's what got you into it um you're one of the few people that I know that's like all in alive, so that's incredible.

Vipul Bindra: 30:56

So what's your? What's next for you? So I know you told me you're planning to build a space. You're planning to build this van. How, how did that come about, like you know? Tell me your future vision. How are you envisioning?

Quintin Sanders: 31:08

So I realized that everything I want to do can be done. The question is, can I do it all myself? And I was like, yeah, I can, but it might take longer, or I can pull people in. And so, you know, doing what I do, I meet different. We meet all types of different people.

Quintin Sanders: 31:29

But doing corporate AV, live event type stuff, I noticed that usually I'm like the only black dude there, and so I'm like, eh, I need to meet more people. And so I met this one dude on one event and it was a little different because it was like there was two of us. And so we got to talking and we realized we had a lot of similar interests in what we wanted to do. And so we thought of this idea of coming up with a nonprofit-profit teaching high school students live broadcast production, right, um. And so it was just an idea at the time. He kind of went with it and he started, you know, doing things to make that happen, and while I'm also doing things to make other things happen, and we're like what if we had a vehicle?

Quintin Sanders: 32:24

And so that was always the idea. But he's always traveling for work, like the things he's directing. You know people see it, they just don't know who's doing it.

Vipul Bindra: 32:34

When you say vehicle, you're thinking like a broadcasting van yes, Not like what I have, which is like a driven production van Now yeah, so a broadcast vehicle, and so we're like it'd be cool if we get one. That's next for me, so I don't need it anymore. If you build it, I could just get yours. There you go, so we spent.

Quintin Sanders: 32:49

We spent eight. We spent eight months going back and forth talking about this, that and the third seeing what the budget could be, and so he just one day decided to. He bought a bus at auction.

Vipul Bindra: 33:03

Like a school bus, no just a passenger bus. A passenger bus.

Quintin Sanders: 33:07

Okay, Like the type you would see like handicapped disabled people use. So he bought one of those and we're just going to retrofit it, deck it out.

Vipul Bindra: 33:18

Ooh, that's a new one. I've not seen that. Right? So you're going to retrofit like a bus. That was like an accessible bus. Right, you're going to convert it to like a broadcast van. That's because I live view everything you know. Whatever you need fiber. Yes, oh, that sounds exciting.

Quintin Sanders: 33:34

So at the same time that we're doing that, someone he connected me with had a space that came available, and so we're also in the process of outfitting that space to become a a broad a broadcast space that people can come and film podcasts and stuff like that, okay and at the same time there's a separate space that can be used for photography or anything you want but no, you're, so you're going the studio route have you run any roi calculations?

Vipul Bindra: 34:06

or like, hey, here's what we need to do to make this work, or whatever. Like are you, are you looking at the business side of it? Or you're just like, hey, we got the space, we're gonna make it work. Like, have you? I'm trying to get to like down to the numbers. Have you worked any numbers with this space, or no?

Quintin Sanders: 34:20

um, this was a a thing that came available that was like, if we don't do it, it's just going to sit anyway. And so now the the number breakdown, we haven't fully went into because this is not going to be a long-term uh thing yet this is a second test this is a test to see if if it could work, because I really didn't have any interest of doing any yeah owning or operating a studio physical space.

Quintin Sanders: 34:48

But I'm like, okay, we have 12 months of this space. Can we make this work, yes or no? Okay, and it's like you can go for it and try it, or you can say in 12 months, man, I wish I just would have done it. Yeah, exactly, and so why?

Vipul Bindra: 35:01

not same thing. You know, for years I've tried to have my space and I could make the numbers work. So when this opportunity came, I was like, no, I gotta do space.

Vipul Bindra: 35:08

And look, now we're having this podcast together and we wouldn't be had I just, you know, again been like, oh, it's not the space I want. So, no, that's incredible, man, I'm excited and I what I love is that you went for it. That's that's what it's about, you know, because, same thing, like, it took me years to go for it, but when I did, it was the best decision ever. I will not go back and you know, like I said, that's one of the best decisions in my life was to go all full time into video and, uh, that's incredible that you know you're on this new journey. Um, why, why is such a pivot, though? Like, uh, why are you doing this now? Like, because you, like I said you had great time traveling the world, making money. Why not continue that? Why come back to live again? What would you like? Obviously, I know I get that, but what else? There has to be something more.

Quintin Sanders: 35:59

There's. I have a list of things that I want to do right.

Vipul Bindra: 36:03

In production.

Quintin Sanders: 36:04

No, I mean okay, list of things that I want to do right in production, in production. No, I mean okay, it's so like, for example, going back, it was like, hey, I want to be the guy behind the camera, I want to be the guy directing fine um, there's still some types of events that I want to do more often.

Quintin Sanders: 36:16

Um, like this last year I was on a show that I was a camera op for and the guy had a broadcast trailer and I'm like, okay, I want to get a broadcast vehicle Now. I've been wanting that for about two years now, but I'm always patient and recognizing that I can't rush into it, but I don't want to take forever either. So when the right opportunity comes, take it. So, when the right opportunity comes, take it. And so when this came about and we were all talking, it was like, yeah, let's go for it now. We may not have it all figured out, but if we don't do it now, when? So? That's kind of my new mantra If not now, then when? So it's not a large investment that needs to be put into it either.

Vipul Bindra: 37:04

These are just low-cost things.

Quintin Sanders: 37:05

I mean low cost could be relative. You already have all the broadcast government right.

Vipul Bindra: 37:08

You've been for years building. I've seen your photos of your racks and everything. They're incredible and they're hyper focused to the type of work you want to do.

Vipul Bindra: 37:16

So you just have to put it in a place, make it just put it into work, yeah so that's incredible, but it seems like, um, obviously the other part of this that I want to touch on is I'm obviously wary of partnerships, like I have awesome friends that you know feel, talk, whatever, it's the same thing, but when you go into a business relationship, it's different than friendship, right? So how are you structuring this, or do you have any thoughts on this or whatever, like going into actual business?

Quintin Sanders: 37:42

with somebody you know. So, technically, if we, if we separate all of it, um, the broadcast vehicle was purchased by one person and so at this point it's a. It's a mutually beneficial partnership in the sense that most of the equipment that's putting that will be put onto. It is mine, the vehicle is his, and so when you break down the numbers, the investment into the vehicle is less than the equipment that we're putting into it. So it's it's almost a 50-50 split. But this vehicle is going to be used for mostly nonprofit reasons. So we worked it out so that eventually this, that vehicle, will be run specifically by the nonprofit itself, and so there will be no cost to operate it, maintain it or anything like that, because the idea is to have grants providing all of that for the vehicle, and that's the thing that we'd be doing as that service. Um, and when it's not doing that, then yes, we can use it for other things.

Quintin Sanders: 38:52

But this is really a good test run to see what the next platform is for the ob vehicle. And so this first one is yes, let's do it, and let's do it for the reasons we wanted to, and it wasn't business, it was a passion. Let's do it, and let's do it for the reasons we wanted to, and it wasn't business, it was a passion of let's teach this to high school students, and so that's the money we invested into it is for that reason. So this is not a business. First idea the bus, the OB vehicle. Now the next one will be. This first one is let's do it.

Vipul Bindra: 39:27

Make it happen.

Quintin Sanders: 39:27

Let's make it happen and let's put it out there and do what we said we were going to do, which is teach high school students broadcast.

Vipul Bindra: 39:34

Yeah exactly.

Quintin Sanders: 39:35

So let's do it While we're sitting here talking about it. Let's do it, and then, in the process of doing that, we're going to use that to help us refine what we want in an actual business broadcast vehicle. Not to say that we couldn't use it for business now, but that one is not, yeah, necessarily 100 intended for that purpose. Now, us putting all the work into it, we can use it for that yeah, are you going um.

Vipul Bindra: 40:02

So are you going to just focus on this? Are you going to still continue to do, obviously, freelance? Oh yeah or travel and all that.

Quintin Sanders: 40:08

So all the all the other things are still being done, but these are just, yeah, more things that are coming up and it's like I haven't. I've been super focused on just one or two things a year, but this year I'm like I'm going for all of it. You know like yeah, exactly because you know, as, as I thought about, like how I started, where I started, I'm like it's been about 10 years.

Quintin Sanders: 40:35

So I'm like what do I want the next 10 to be like? And I wouldn't try all these things to see where I want the next 10 years to be.

Vipul Bindra: 40:44

Exactly. And what I love is like I say you're going for it instead of you going thinking about it. You know calculating, whatever you're just going for. It seems like you also have the perfect partnership because you have someone who has, like you said, the vehicle. You have the equipment, you have a. You know something to do with it because you know you could go teach high school kids how to do it. So you have a, you know audience. You have b, you know the equipment. C you have the vehicle to do. You have everything, like I said in front of you.

Quintin Sanders: 41:11

So had you not taken the opportunity, it would have been a big mess and you know the the goal is to get grants to operate that thing right. So in order to get grants, they tell us they want to see that nonprofit in work already. They want to see the initial investment already made. Okay. And so that's what we're done. That's what we have done Now. We've done it. We've done the program itself on a small scale it's like 10, 12, 15 kids but this will allow us to do more.

Vipul Bindra: 41:43

So is this a new nonprofit or is this one already existing?

Quintin Sanders: 41:48

I mean it's new relatively in how I mean it's new. It's only been technically incorporated in operation for a year, okay, but half of that year has been spent developing the processes, the teachings and how we want to do everything. And so we have students from two local churches that we're doing programming with, but the idea is to have it all put together in another six months so that we can do it in schools and different places.

Vipul Bindra: 42:24

More people in the industry.

Quintin Sanders: 42:25

I love that and that's why the space that came available makes sense, because you can tie it all together right, yeah, you know, you can even bring students to your space, right? That's exactly yeah, that's so. It's all come, it's all together and it's like we could go in six months. Man, we wish we had done that part, so it's just going for all of it and you know I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

Vipul Bindra: 42:49

yeah, well, here's the worst that I'll talk about next. How do you manage time? Because you're talking about running a like helping this non-profit, running a live business, running travel video business, running, you know your freelance business, your media company and you have a family. How do you manage it all? You have a kid, right. So how do you manage it all, uh, and still stay sane. That's why time management.

Quintin Sanders: 43:17

That's why working with others is important. Um you know it as well as anyone else that you can't do everything yourself.

Quintin Sanders: 43:24

Yeah, no, you can't do anything yourself, and so just having different people that can help and it's pushed me to think in a different way. It's pushed me to think more operationally, more analytically. In certain areas, like I'm very tech, you know, as a live video engineer, I'm like I'm thinking you big. But this has made me really think about certain details of very small things that I really don't really care about, but I have to now to make it work. So that's, that's the plan on how to make it work, how to balance everything. I don't know, I don't um, there's times where I'm I'm out to 10, 12, 1am, you know 2. I get home. There's times where I was out of the country for two months, then another four weeks, another three weeks. How do you balance it all?

Vipul Bindra: 44:30

Just try to have people who understand and people who you like working with. Yeah, really at this point, uh, how do you? Handle that with your, with your kid because you know that's the hardest thing for me, you know, and is just traveling. You know leaving your family like leaving my kids and especially I don't know if your kid does it. But my girls are like daddy don't go.

Vipul Bindra: 44:44

And then that, you know, that kind of melts my heart. I'm like, uh, you know how much I love video production. Obviously there's part of me that you know obviously wants to go to these cool shoots. But then the other part of me is like, oh, you know, I don't want to disappoint my kids, so I try to pay obviously a lot of attention when I am home, you know, taking them to the obviously we live in entertainment capital of the country taking them to theme parks, going out to e or whatever you know. So how you handling that, is your kid like that? Or, if not, like, how are you managing being a good dad while you know, somehow managing all the stuff that you're you're doing?

Quintin Sanders: 45:18

so how do I manage it? That's a good question. I don't know if I'm doing the best job ever, but I think for our family one, my son has autism and so it's a little different. He's nonverbal, so he's not going to be saying hey, don't leave, he's not going to say anything. So that's a catch-22, because you want that as a parent, you know, but you don't get it. So that's one thing. Two, being gone is a little difficult, also because you know faith's time is a thing now. It wasn't 20, 30 years ago.

Quintin Sanders: 45:59

But even then it's still difficult because, yeah, we're looking at each other yeah he's not saying much um so it's just having a good family that understands that.

Vipul Bindra: 46:10

Yeah, it's funny. It's not funny, but I've known you three years. I didn't know about that, that your son was autistic, so that's crazy that you're then that makes it even harder, I think, you leaving so that's crazy, man, I'm really, like I said, I'm really, like I said, amazed that you're doing this, because I know how hard it is for me to do this and you're doing more than I am, I think.

Quintin Sanders: 46:32

So it's that and you know. You know when I'm home OK, I'm not going to say when I'm home I'm home, because when I'm home I'm always thinking about other things also. But you know, I recognize after reading a bunch of Facebook groups that, like, autistic adults don't have it easy. So I'm like, okay, I need to be doing as much as possible to make that easy in 20 years, and me sitting at home all the time is not the way to do it at the moment, you know, because a lot of work comes from other places, so I don't know, it's it's difficult. Um, having a good partner helps, you know, because a lot of work comes from other places, so I don't know, it's difficult.

Quintin Sanders: 47:09

Having a good partner helps, you know, she understands work needs to happen and because I'm working, she gets to be with him all the time. So it's like you can't have it both ways. I don't think, at least right now. For me you can't have it both ways. But that's another reason why I'm trying all these different things, because the more things you're trying, the more chances you have of those things working out. The more things you have in the pot, the less time you may have to be on a plane right, so I mean that's.

Vipul Bindra: 47:42

That's another reason so you're trying to say, is your ultimate goal retirement? Is that?

Quintin Sanders: 47:48

Yes, I mean well no, because I love what I do and so I plan to, like I, meet dudes out on shows and events that are like in their early 60s.

Vipul Bindra: 48:02

I'm like man, I want to be so you're like me, Because I'm like I want to do this as long as I can do it. I love it, Right, which?

Quintin Sanders: 48:08

is why I don't do certain things. I'm not going to be the dude that's lifting up all this weight Like, don't worry, I got it. No slow down. Yeah, you know, 40 years ago, the dummies who did that.

Vipul Bindra: 48:19

Yeah, they are the ones who need to retire, right.

Quintin Sanders: 48:22

And so stuff like that. I'm trying to work smarter, not harder, so that I can do this a long time, um, but also do it so that there's enough available. So as my son grows up, it's not going to be as difficult for for him to maneuver and operate, because it seems like things aren't going to get any easier for anybody?

Quintin Sanders: 48:48

Yeah, and so there needs to be something there to make it manageable so that they seems like things aren't going to get any easier for anybody. Yeah, and so there needs to be something there to make it manageable so that they all the output that we do as as people you know, he doesn't have to do that much. Yeah, you know 50, 60, 70%, but at least he has that extra 30% that's there to help, yeah, Um, so that's that's why I'm doing everything I'm doing at the frequency I'm doing. I think I could be doing more honestly Wow, and so you know that's.

Quintin Sanders: 49:18

That's why.

Vipul Bindra: 49:19

It makes me I thought I was working a lot. You make me feel like I'm late.

Quintin Sanders: 49:23

I mean, but you are working a lot so.

Vipul Bindra: 49:25

Yeah, but, man, I feel like you're doing more than me. But that's no. I'm actually very happy. I love people. You know I'm very family Family's first for me, and obviously my love for video production. But I'm so glad you're thinking ahead. You're thinking about the future of your kid and you know what the needs are going to be now, because that's exactly the approach that you need to take. I'm amazed when I hear so many parents who are like you know, didn't think about that, and then you know it's too late.

Quintin Sanders: 49:52

So you're thinking now and when you have time and you can, you know prepare, yeah, but I mean, I don't know, I only have one kid so I can only think one way. But I would assume that kids, that who don't have certain disabilities, they're like yeah, no, they'll figure it out. Like your kid is okay. Okay, being relative, yeah, if your kid can do most things, they'll be fine. Yeah, you just teach them.

Vipul Bindra: 50:21

You say that, yeah, but I find the system, now that I'm looking at it, like again two kids.

Vipul Bindra: 50:25

I watched the education they're getting and everything, and they go to supposedly really nice school, but what I'm seeing is, you know, the system's designed to, like, make worker bees.

Vipul Bindra: 50:38

You know they're designed for people to get out, get jobs, you know provide, you know pay taxes and all that.

Vipul Bindra: 50:42

And I'm like, no, they're not teaching anything but entrepreneurship. And so I think parents do have to be very involved, especially if you want your kids to do uh, what we do, because you know, sure, obviously, like you said, there will be spark in some who will just go chase it no matter what, but there could be more entrepreneurs, more people inventing things if, uh, you know, because the schools aren't doing it, if the parents pay attention and focus on you know, putting that, that a spark in their kid, like, no, you can go do something, you can build something or I don't know, you can create something or at least put a team together who can do it. You know, because you can be a leader too, either way. What I'm saying is that that now comes down to, obviously, the parents, and so there is a lot that parents have to do um to get their kids to be like that. You know, I don't know. That's at least what I'm seeing.

Quintin Sanders: 51:30

Yeah, like I said it comes down to, in my opinion, it comes down to the teaching of the parents. But for me, growing up, I wanted to do one thing I was six and that was be a cop. Right, that was the thing. You look at me in high school, you're like, definitely To the extent that you know, junior, senior year. You like donuts Junior and senior year.

Vipul Bindra: 52:00

I'm joking.

Quintin Sanders: 52:01

When recruiters would come to the school, the thing that they would do is ask other students who else do you think could be interested? And there's, I kid you not, there's at least 10 people who gave the recruiter my name. He's like yeah, I had a bunch of kids. Tell me, come talk to you.

Quintin Sanders: 52:16

I'm like yeah, but after realizing I should probably do college to get me to the end goal of being a cop instead of doing the military. Um, then I went to college and I was like I don't want to do this either.

Vipul Bindra: 52:33

Um but what made you not want to be a cop? When I moved here it seems like a lot of people thought you would be good yeah, no, my son. Basically, that was the thing that made me decide not to do it um but yeah, interesting, you say that I think, from what I've heard again, I I don't that that. I think, uh, from what I've heard again, I I don't that many cops, but uh, from what I've heard, that they have good insurance. So that would have been, I guess.

Quintin Sanders: 52:55

Yeah, but that's not what I was thinking about. I was thinking about the climate in which we live and, yes, growing up, where I grew up, uh, no one really cares about cops anyway where did you grow up?

Vipul Bindra: 53:08

new york oh, okay queens, new york, you know, south japan if anyone wants to know yeah, um, but yeah so they're the friendly ones though, at least whenever I get my experiences again traveling there. But new york cops are we. I don't know if we.

Quintin Sanders: 53:24

I don't think, I don't think we have enough time to go into all that. Yeah, let's not do that, but I was a little different. I was 100% yes, that's what I want to do, but also recognizing everything that happens and everything that's involved in that profession. And so, even though I know everything about it from both sides, I still want to do it. But after moving here, I always had it in my mind that that could be my.

Vipul Bindra: 53:48

What brought you to Orlando again, or Florida in general? This is where Let me just Ooh, I feel like I hit a nerve or something.

Quintin Sanders: 54:03

I didn't want to move At first. I didn't want to move. Oh, you can talk shit about Florida.

Vipul Bindra: 54:07

No, at first I didn't want to move that first I didn't want to move.

Quintin Sanders: 54:08

Oh, you're going to talk shit about Florida. No, At first I didn't want to move. That's why I didn't answer that. But to show you she wanted to move here because she grew up here. Okay, and you know this is the way she said. The school system here is great.

Vipul Bindra: 54:23

The education is great. I don't know. Okay, I love Orlando, but I don't know if I would go there.

Quintin Sanders: 54:29

And so that's why we moved here. Well, she moved back, and I just came.

Vipul Bindra: 54:37

Oh, so you followed yeah. And that's just because growing up in New York is like you don't want to move anywhere else.

Quintin Sanders: 54:44

growing up in New York is like you don't want to move anywhere else, but um yeah. So now coming here and I realized these years later that I think it's probably Florida who's that's gotten me to this place, just because it's more inviting to self-employed, entrepreneurial people. Now, being a wanting to be a cop, I had no want, need or desire to be entrepreneurial, right like I'm cool, living within system, operating, you know, cam up and being a cop, directing whatever, that's still a system and ultimately you're working for someone else anyway. Yeah.

Quintin Sanders: 55:25

So, I'm cool with that, but this year totally different.

Vipul Bindra: 55:32

So has your opinion changed in Florida? Because I know people have crazy, crazy opinions of Florida. What do you think about Florida now, all these years later that you've been here? Now you are a Floridian.

Quintin Sanders: 55:42

I'm not. You're not a Floridian Relaxed now.

Vipul Bindra: 55:45

I mean your driver's license is Florida. I still have a New York license also, oh what I keep that thing tucked away, just in case, okay, your expired license.

Quintin Sanders: 55:57

I can renew it anytime, you know. But my thoughts of Florida, I mean, it's a decent place to live. I suppose when I moved here people were like, yeah, things are going to be cheap. No, no, I was place to live. I suppose when I moved here people like yeah things are gonna be cheap.

Vipul Bindra: 56:10

I was further from the truth. Um, first time I went to new york everyone was like I'll be ready, things are. But again, to be real, I live in you know touristy, you know orlando, whatever. But they everyone's like, oh, it's gonna be so expensive, like blah, blah blah. I went there and I was like this is about the same or even slightly cheaper, because you know, orlando prices are absurd, or central florida in general. So yeah, no, I don't think it's any cheaper I thought it'd be cheaper the other year.

Quintin Sanders: 56:33

It's gonna be cheaper now. They lied to me so it is what it is.

Vipul Bindra: 56:38

I mean, maybe the rest of florida, I mean a lot of florida is rural or you know, not the same, like we live in a bubble. I think central florida, I don't know I've been to miami and I'm like oh man, see, see, you're talking about miami.

Quintin Sanders: 56:52

That, that's another ball game but but living grew growing up. Where I grew up, I don't think I'd want to live certain places, like I don't think I could survive in alabama forever. I don't think I could live in rural america I have to be somewhere close to a center, and so this made sense. Um, miami I heard bad things about, so I said I'm going to go in. Um, and northern orland, northern florida, was like it's the same thing as alabama, yeah, so don't go there, so I'm like I'm not going there either um.

Quintin Sanders: 57:23

So I mean, at this point I'm cool with florida. Will I go back to new york? Probably not. Um, will I move somewhere else?

Vipul Bindra: 57:29

maybe just depends, so you're not like bound basically.

Quintin Sanders: 57:32

So I mean at this point I'm cool with Florida. Will I go back to New York? Probably not, Will I?

Vipul Bindra: 57:35

move somewhere else? Maybe Just depends. So you're not like bound. Basically no, until I do what you did and buy a house, yeah, I know, don't get me started on that, but that's amongst other reasons.

Quintin Sanders: 57:43

That's why I haven't really put much effort into doing that yet, because I'm like this may not be where I want to stay.

Vipul Bindra: 57:52

But I thought I mean from your meetup well, let's go there now. I mean you threw in an incredible meetup, but at your meetup you also said and we'll get into the meetup in a second you said your goal was to buy a house.

Quintin Sanders: 58:04

It seems like you're interested in buying a house. I am interested. I am interested to buy a house. It seems like you're interested in buying I, I am interested. I am interested um, but I'm not 100 okay on it being here.

Vipul Bindra: 58:18

Yeah, that's the thing I'm interested and that's fine. I mean, it doesn't have to be. So let's, let's go on a meet up. I mean, the most coolest thing you've done recently.

Vipul Bindra: 58:23

Um, so you, you called me out of nowhere, which is good, thank goodness you did, because I was. I just went, so went about the house. I wanted to build a space. I just went awol because I was either working or literally here, sleep, barely sleep, because, uh, you know building the space, and so you know, I'm sorry about that, but I wasn't reaching out to anyone because I was just so distracted. So I appreciate you reaching out.

Vipul Bindra: 58:46

But then you call me and like, hey, you had this incredible idea. And as soon as you said it, I was like this is, this is amazing, because I need to get out of here and I need to go meet other fellow people. Because what I love about meetups is that's where you get to have these conversations, which is where I get to learn what's happening, what I can change, what I can do better, and maybe some people can learn something from me, but also where I can find other people to hire, you know, because, as doing my own productions, I need to hire crews. I would I like to meet people in person instead of, you know, online, because I don't, I can't, uh, you know, vet them that way. So that sounded like an incredible you know thing, plus what I.

Vipul Bindra: 59:23

What I liked about your meetup was you didn't want to just do a networking event, you wanted to bring education into it, which was also different, but also very important, because people don't value, you know, the education aspect of it. So bring me about your thought process. What made you go to that and how was that whole experience?

Quintin Sanders: 59:46

First thing I was like, hey, it'd be cool If another meetup happened. I haven't been to one and over a year just because I was gone a lot. Um, so like there's people I haven't seen in a while. Um, then on that instagram group, I see there's new people in there, there's new people clicking up and I'm just like, okay, I've been out of the loop, so need to jump back in. So that was one thing. The other thing was years ago someone said to me, no matter how high you get or where you go, don't forget to pull someone else up with you. And so I've kind of operated off of that premise and always try to have someone who isn't necessarily as experienced as I am. And you know, we're just working and they're learning from me and I'm learning from them. I get help, they get experience, stuff like that. Even down to the point where we were at the Kia Center last year and that girl stopped us and was like, hey, yeah, and that was so amazing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:00:48

I saw the, the other side of you, where you were like genuinely wanting to help her you know, and that's awesome, I mean, like I said, which is why, uh, bringing back to your non-profit idea, I love that because I think you are the right person to do it, because you're not gonna do it just to do it, you're gonna do it because you actually want to do it and there's, there's a there, and so, no, I totally believe in that.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:09

Which is why I knew when you called me, that there was not that much of an ulterior motive behind it. You genuinely wanted to catch up with people. You wanted to meet these people. Point is you know you're an honest guy. So that's why I was like, look, obviously it's your meetup, but any way I can help, I'm happy to, because you know that sounds an incredible idea.

Quintin Sanders: 1:01:29

So the idea was like, hey, you know, this should be an event. Then people I've been talking to her like, hey, you know, I wish I could learn this, or I could learn that, or I want to know this. I want to know that questions that are coming in and people not really getting answers the way they want, or people are afraid to ask those questions in the group for whatever reason. And I'm like what if there was a place where people could ask you face to face, get an answer that day and feel better about the decision they're trying to make? And I'm like, okay, so we should do a meetup, there should be one. But then I'm like, if, who's gonna do it? I'm like, well, clearly, one hasn't been done lately.

Quintin Sanders: 1:02:15

So that's when I called you and was like, hey, let's, let's just do it. And then I called your other people, like hey, would you help? Like yeah, of course. And then I called people who are less experienced, like hey, would you come? And then I'm okay, it's going to happen. Now it's about where, when, how. And then that's when we got to speaking about the how. Um, because I had the where, and then, you know, the people gave me ideas on the how and so it came together and I think it was helpful. People said during and after it was great. They learned some new things.

Vipul Bindra: 1:02:58

Incredible time that was. You know, they learned some new things. Rather, it was so crazy. It was the longest meetup and I still felt like didn't have enough time because I didn't still get to say hi to everyone. So that's what I'm talking about. It's it's anyway. It was great.

Quintin Sanders: 1:03:10

So and that's the type of meetup that I wish had already existed, because I'm like it's great when you get to meet new people, but I really don't feel like talking to a bunch of people for two, three hours, one not being able to hear them all the way because of where we are, and not really digging deep, because it seems like those networking events are surface level and you may get deep with two, three people. Yeah, that's about it, but there's not enough time to get deeper with a lot more people.

Vipul Bindra: 1:03:43

Especially, for example, people like me, even though I'm good with this conversation because I know you, but I'm an introvert, so it's really hard for me to move from one group to the other, to the other, and that's what's kind of needed in networking event, cause you know it's weird to butt in and be like, hey, so what? You guys talking? About you know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:03:59

And some people are really good at it, so good for them those events. But and for me I'm, like you know, not comfortable doing that. So I like the setting, the way you did it. I liked also the topic that you picked and yeah, like I said, the whole thing. Anthony was nice to you know, order pizza and then charge everyone for it, but I mean hey.

Quintin Sanders: 1:04:22

Well, I mean, we spoke afterwards about that and I was like man, I recognize that that was a thing that could have been used, but I've never done an event or anything like that.

Vipul Bindra: 1:04:32

No, that's fine and that's okay, cause I was literally thinking when that happened. I was like Ooh, since I was helping you anyway which again I don't want to take any credit, it was all you.

Quintin Sanders: 1:04:49

But I'm saying I wouldn't mind you know it's just pizza, um uh, but anyway that, yeah, I think that was the only thing that somebody else did, which I mean that was good too. Yeah, so him, him bringing it up and asking me um, what do I think about? I was like you know, it was a good idea. And I was like thanks for pushing me to do it, because I was like, ah, it was a thought, but we had so many other things already in motion that day that I was like ah you maybe the next time.

Quintin Sanders: 1:05:09

But I mean, pulling the trigger on it was a good idea and hopefully the next one will be good too. I have an idea.

Vipul Bindra: 1:05:18

Oh, you want to talk about it here, or no? Yeah, sure.

Quintin Sanders: 1:05:22

This won't be out for a while anyway.

Vipul Bindra: 1:05:24

No this is live, sir, this is live.

Quintin Sanders: 1:05:26

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:05:27

Yeah, everyone's hearing what you're saying. Oh, you're gonna talk about it. No, it's okay, we don't know.

Quintin Sanders: 1:05:32

No, no no, okay, so it's for. It's for people who like to shoot more than just cameras. Okay, um, the idea is to do meet up an event or whatever that people get to shoot more than just cameras okay that makes sense.

Vipul Bindra: 1:05:50

I know this is going to be on shoot more than cameras, so what does that mean?

Quintin Sanders: 1:05:53

well, it depends on your filter for youtube here um there's no filter. Okay, cool, um, okay, whatever so the idea is to put cameras and guns together okay, that's interesting because after that last meetup I know that there are people who like to shoot cameras and then people like who like to shoot guns. Yeah, and so if there could be funny enough.

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:18

You say I had justin on the podcast and you know he's one of the only people I know who actually shoots for a gun company yeah, video, yeah, so that's incredible you're the second person to bring that up.

Quintin Sanders: 1:06:28

And I'm not saying necessarily shooting people shooting guns. I'm saying doing an event where people get to put hands on to different types of cameras and equipment but also enjoy the range. Oh, so a meetup at a range with camera nerds, that's actually very interesting Because we all like to show off our cameras, but I'm sure we're proud of our guns also do you think that would be limiting?

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:55

because again, obviously this is not the topic I talk about with you know, just anyone uh, like enough. People are gonna have enough like into. Are you gonna be into guns or whatever it may not be as large scale, because this one you had like what? 20, 30 people, 30 people? Did you do a final count? Do you know how many people showed up?

Quintin Sanders: 1:07:10

There's about 35 altogether, that's what I'm saying.

Vipul Bindra: 1:07:12

That's a lot of people. Do you think this next one will have that many?

Quintin Sanders: 1:07:16

The first one in my mind initially was supposed to be people that I know anyway, so just 10, 15 at the max, before the idea expanded. And so well, this one could be 10 people, I don't care, okay, but you know, just putting the two together it seems like a fun idea.

Vipul Bindra: 1:07:35

No, that's very interesting. I would be down for it. How many conversations? As long as it's outdoors, though not indoors?

Quintin Sanders: 1:07:40

How many conversations have we had about guns while we were shooting?

Vipul Bindra: 1:07:43

Yeah, but that's just because we have similar thoughts on that and we can't be the only ones, yeah. Well, I mean, I know two people now you and Justin so we would have to, but, like I said, I would be curious about that, so that's a pretty cool idea.

Quintin Sanders: 1:07:58

And the person doesn't necessarily have to own a gun, but they could have fun going to the range every now and then.

Vipul Bindra: 1:08:04

Yeah, it's a safe environment too, so that's pretty good and so that's the idea.

Quintin Sanders: 1:08:08

When it will happen, who knows?

Vipul Bindra: 1:08:09

yeah, no, that's, that's pretty, but that's the idea in the back of my head for for one eventually, okay, but I think, um, the next big, big, big event will be the mastermind that we're, that we're putting together yes, there's got to be one again, not trying to sell, I do want to, at least I know I want to do one where you know I want to go with people who are like production company owners and just trying to, you know, pool our resources together, essentially grow together, um, and and I love these meetups, but there's a wide variety of people, so I have to, at least when I've been able to speak or learn, you know it's, it's a it's wide scale.

Vipul Bindra: 1:08:46

You're like, hey, if you want to grow to six figures or whatever, now you want to go to this, you know. So it's like. But I'm saying, if you did a mastermind, where it's all people like, okay, we already have the basics right, we're not struggling to pay the bills. Now how can we make big money or how can we grow bigger from people who are already, you know, that level or higher?

Vipul Bindra: 1:09:05

I think, would be an incredible resource for everyone, because then everyone benefits from it. I would love to put something like that together, but again, time is such crazy. But I know you're interested in something like that too, right.

Quintin Sanders: 1:09:19

Yeah, and I realized, you know, for me I have to really dedicate the brain power to do it, and so I've already decided, like the beginning of last, the ending of 2022, when I knew what was coming for 2023, I said, okay, I'm going to dedicate to doing those things. And so I did it. So I think you know it should be the same thing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:09:43

Yeah, I've already you just got to do it right.

Quintin Sanders: 1:09:51

Otherwise it's never going to get done. I've already I've already decided there was a few things I want to do this year. I'm already doing some of them. Um, I have some other ideas that are only business specific okay that have come to mind after the last two years of doing production that I've seen out in the world that I want to do, but those are business specific products that I want to provide Ooh, that's cool Anything you can share with us. No.

Vipul Bindra: 1:10:13

Are they not fleshed yet?

Quintin Sanders: 1:10:15

Okay, that's okay, take your time, we'll have you back. They're flushed, they just haven't fully been done yet. Okay, and that is a competitive thing. Okay. So it's like not something that I feel like will take tons and tons of effort to do, but could provide a lot of value to the customer base and profit.

Vipul Bindra: 1:10:42

And so I'm making me and anyone listening curious.

Quintin Sanders: 1:10:44

now, well, just, based on the market that we live in. Okay, and the service that's available for it doesn't really exist locally. Okay, now, there are companies that are providing that service countrywide, but there isn't much locally.

Vipul Bindra: 1:11:02

Stop talking. You're making me curious. If you can't say it, then say it.

Quintin Sanders: 1:11:06

Yeah, so, but it doesn't the barrier to entry is not extremely high for it, yeah, and so it's still in the production space, still in the live space, and so I'm implementing it for the business I'm building. For the live side. I'm like, okay, this could also but service other people.

Vipul Bindra: 1:11:21

So, which is what I was going to ask you, but I guess I don't know. If you want to tell me, then, how are you going to do outreach for that, for that ob van that you're building? Is there, uh, like, do you have a plan in mind or is that what you're talking about? How you're gonna do outreach? How are you gonna get the new clients?

Quintin Sanders: 1:11:37

um, I'm for the ob event specifically. I the plan is to one do the non side of it, which is servicing no schools and everything but that involves sports. You don't do high school without sports and stuff like that.

Quintin Sanders: 1:11:55

So within that sports space I am thinking about expanding to doing college level sports and providing that service. And providing that service. So the idea is to interact with the networks that are sponsoring and giving airtime to those events, seeing what the requirements are. I know what the requirements are for ESPN, so building the OB van in a way that is enticing to them, that's important.

Vipul Bindra: 1:12:27

Oh, so you're going for the big sports broadcast stuff not the big sports, but the medium sports.

Quintin Sanders: 1:12:33

Okay, the medium.

Vipul Bindra: 1:12:34

Okay, because I don't medium-sized colleges like you're not gonna target, like alabama or anything you're. You're trying to go for what smaller, smaller schools that have a football or other sports program volleyball, maybe, that's a big one. Um, that, that would be perfect, your man for right yeah, so you're thinking some yes and um.

Quintin Sanders: 1:12:55

so that's on the sports side of it and networking network broadcast side of things, making the vehicle industry standard enough so that it can be hired as any other OB vehicle that exists, because there's a certain barrier to entry when it comes to a professional standard vehicle and the things that is expected inside that vehicle.

Quintin Sanders: 1:13:19

And so I think the thing I've seen a lot is people who are coming up with custom solutions that aren't industry standard and then hiring an industry standard professional to run it, it just doesn't work, and so you end up having to operate yourselves, but you're only limited to your experience up until that point, and so it doesn't seem like there's a way to grow past it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:13:41

Yeah, no, that I completely agree with, because I've told people all the time my biggest lesson learned in video production was not buying industry-standard stuff Because you know, when you're new you go, oh well, this product exists. For example, you know Teradek, oh, there's Teradek, but I can buy XYZ wireless system for cheaper. And you know, guess what? If you're just doing your own thing, it's fine. But as soon as you start to work with crews but as soon as you start to work with crews, it becomes very difficult and it's a loss of money.

Vipul Bindra: 1:14:09

Essentially, how many equipment I've had to sell or whatever dispose of because it wouldn't fit? Because it's one thing for you to have it, and I can assure, operate it or know it, but as soon as I bring in crew, when it's an industry standard, I can just tell anyone hey, here's a Bolt 500, whatever, go activate it and most professionals can operate it. But when you have something specific or a custom solution that you main, they they'll be like, uh, how do I do this, how do I do that, and that's, that's a loss of efficiency and, um, you know, you can't have that on pro set. So the lesson I learned was you know very quickly, like, just buy the right stuff the first time. It always pays off buying cheap. Unless it's just you one person band, then it's fine, you know, whatever, just have it, it's not going to, you know, go well.

Quintin Sanders: 1:14:56

I think there is different levels to the industry standard when it comes to broadcasting and all that stuff. But years ago black magic couldn't be the standard, they just weren't there yet. However, I think they are very close to being the standard for a certain level, and so the way everything operates is pretty much close to industry standard to an extent, depending on the item. The switches, they're very close. The cameras, on the other hand, depends on which one you're talking about aren't there yet. The Broadcast Ursa G2s form factor pretty standard to an extent. Their workflow to an extent. Color-wise controlling that remotely less standard, but still doable.

Vipul Bindra: 1:15:42

Yeah, especially if you're using their switchers Right.

Quintin Sanders: 1:15:50

Less standard, as you know from your experience, but still close enough that a professional can use it, because it's all there yeah and see, this is why I stay away from.

Vipul Bindra: 1:15:56

Obviously I'm not trying to be in live as, like you are, exactly. I don't go into those higher end events because that's not the space I'm in personally for me. I'm in that corporate commercial space and I've live streamed tons and tons of conferences and events and Blackmagic gear has served me so well. It paid itself long, long, you know, you know hundreds of times over. So at that point. So I love Blackmagic for that, but I do completely get it. Now I wouldn't take my live streaming kit to personally to ESPN and be like, yeah, let me, let me host your boxing tournament or whatever, but you, on the other hand, obviously are building a setup that can definitely do like at least medium size events right, that's what you're getting.

Quintin Sanders: 1:16:37

So the the form factor of that camera platform is pretty similar to standard broadcast setups, you know, even down to the fiber solutions, pretty much the same, and so I think that's the closest we're going to get for the price point, and these days, not as many people are caring about the camera platform you're using, but just providing the service. And so that's where I want to live and, like I said, a lot of that live and, like I said, a lot of that equipment is becoming standard for a lot of things like music festivals yeah and stuff like that.

Quintin Sanders: 1:17:15

There's tons of music festivals that you watch all the time that are using that camera yeah, that's true.

Vipul Bindra: 1:17:20

I've done some music festivals, so funny enough. What is the price point they're trying to hit? Is there a number? I mean like, hey, this price point, this gear is good or anything beyond this. Not so much Like what is the price point People can know if that's something they want to pursue. How much money is there?

Quintin Sanders: 1:17:41

In terms of what I'm going after or how much I'm charging.

Vipul Bindra: 1:17:44

No, what are you going after? Like, what will this man, or whatever the system that you'll be able to, this medium-sized live streaming setup, be able to get? I mean, what is the price range? I mean you can give us a range.

Quintin Sanders: 1:18:01

I think. See, I'm not necessarily building this system to have a limit.

Vipul Bindra: 1:18:07

Oh, so there's no limit.

Quintin Sanders: 1:18:08

'm building what's the minimum I'm building the system that is available next day okay there's. In this world, everyone rents everything anyway. Like I haven't done a corporate show where half the stuff isn't rented from a different company anyway. So there's not a limit. You can get whatever you need to get yeah, but on hand next day, two hour notice, building a very good system okay if that makes sense no, it does so.

Vipul Bindra: 1:18:43

Uh, so give us that's what I'm saying. Um like sure, I call you. Two hours later I have a music festival. What is the kind of range people can expect to learn? Because the people I'm thinking who are listening to this are either into it, maybe beginner, or they're thinking about getting into it. I just want them to know, because I can talk all day about my level of production, but I'm not trying to do sports. What is the money that they can make? Is it worth? It Is the point I'm trying to get?

Quintin Sanders: 1:19:14

what do you expect to be able to charge? I'm expecting, like, let's say, a large size concert for music festivals specifically where I'm targeting. I think I'm expecting to to begin on the 15 000 dollar range that's pretty good $15,000, one music festival. Do you think?

Vipul Bindra: 1:19:31

per day or the whole festival.

Quintin Sanders: 1:19:34

I think it's the scope of work. I think as a company I want it to be $15,000 walking away with and that's after expenses. That's after expenses for crew.

Vipul Bindra: 1:19:46

Oh so it's going to be more. So $15,000 is your profit. So that crew? Oh so it's going to be more. So, right, so 15 is your profit. So that means what it's going to be, what?

Quintin Sanders: 1:19:51

30, 40 grand at least yeah, the top number right, and that's cheap. And that's cheap. Yeah, that's on the lower end, that's on the lower end, yeah so that's pretty good money, though somebody's thinking about it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:20:00

Um that you can, you know, do a music festival on a lower end charge. Maybe climb 40 grand40,000, walk away with $15,000. That's a pretty good profit range, yeah.

Quintin Sanders: 1:20:09

Yeah, and I think you know, just being around the space operating, knowing the crew sizes that I'm working with, like, hey, I show up to a gig and I'm one out of five operators for a camera, and that doesn't even take into account everyone else behind the cameras. Knowing stage hands, you know. Knowing and knowing what I'm charging per day for my rate and knowing everyone else is probably very similar in the ballpark.

Vipul Bindra: 1:20:38

You just do the math yeah, exactly which, and I think that exactly what. Thank you for bringing this up? Uh, because so many people. Again, I'm all like don't invest in the equipment, because you know people want to start in video. And they go what camera can I buy? And that's what all these youtubers are peddling. And I'm like, no, you don't need anything because, guess what, as long as you know, obviously you're skilled um, you can go be an av camera operator and usually you don't even need to bring any equipment right. They provide everything. You just have to go operate it. And what kind of day rates can people expect?

Quintin Sanders: 1:21:11

um, there's been some crying and about different numbers okay, give us an average.

Vipul Bindra: 1:21:16

What's an average day rate? Um between 450 650 that's pretty good day rate. Look, zero investment, making 450 to 650. I mean that's not bad, especially if you're new. Just hang out with somebody like you, learn a little skill. Obviously you need to know what you're doing, but once you get there, that's a pretty good day rate. I mean zero investment, I mean can't beat it right, yeah. And usually it's not one day, usually. What? How many days is average?

Vipul Bindra: 1:21:44

Usually it's three, five days give or take three to five days you're walking with a few thousand dollars and most of it is profit now minus. Obviously you know taxes and everything, but not bad most of it's in your pocket exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:22:00

There's no expenses like I gas, but gas and, like any job, what I'm saying is there's none. You had to invest right off this equipment and you know, like any job. You know what I'm saying is like there's none.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:07

You had to invest this right off, this equipment, this camera, this sd card now there's battery.

Quintin Sanders: 1:22:12

There are people who have their preferences on what they certain things like chairs for instance. I have my preference on the chair, so I have my own chair okay, well, that's your choice, right? Yeah, otherwise they'll provide you a chair, okay you know, like just bringing, there are certain things that you could have yourself.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:28

Which I know you have pulled it on my set, so I know you that stool. Is that what you're talking about?

Quintin Sanders: 1:22:32

No, no, no, no, no, that's the stool. Okay, so it's different.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:36

Oh, I haven't seen the chair.

Quintin Sanders: 1:22:37

That's the stool.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:41

I have a chair when I'm directing, okay, or is this different?

Quintin Sanders: 1:22:44

No, no, no, the cam op chair is close to a director's chair. The video directing chair for live events is a Herman Miller.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:56

Oh yeah, but it makes sense.

Quintin Sanders: 1:22:57

Yeah, long days and so like, but that's a personal investment.

Vipul Bindra: 1:23:00

You wanted to make Personal investment the main thing I want to know is like tell people is like come on, I'm tired of people being broke in this industry. There's so much money to be made and there's so many different avenues to make money, man. We've already talked about three, four different ways, but I what I love about av is like it's zero investment route.

Vipul Bindra: 1:23:17

As long as you get skilled and you network, you don't require any investment outside of what you may want to do anyway, like for your own now there is there's there is a level of investment when it comes to education, because different training and certifications require money. Exactly, yeah, nothing replaces education.

Quintin Sanders: 1:23:31

The only person paying for that is you. So there's certain things you need to pay for, like, for example, you don't need to have your own headset, but I try to tell people there are things you don't need, and there are things you do need.

Vipul Bindra: 1:23:47

Okay, so what do they need?

Quintin Sanders: 1:23:49

So, like, let's say, camera Operator decides when we jump into that, having your own headset is really nice to have, okay, because you will be able to hear more clearly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:03

Yeah, that's what they give you is good. It's still fine, the typical.

Speaker 3: 1:24:07

Motorola stuff that you, stuff that you put on your ear.

Quintin Sanders: 1:24:09

No, no, broadcast headsets you know that plug into the cameras. The ones they give you are fine, but sometimes the pressure could be a lot or sometimes the cable may be going bad Sure.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:19

It's not just your big head Sometimes maybe but sometimes the I'm joking.

Quintin Sanders: 1:24:33

The headsets could be either really strong on your ears or the cable could be going bad or whatever. And having your own, never excuse why you can't hear. You don't want to be the guy who has to come up with excuses.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:43

Yeah, please don't make excuses. Like you said, if you don't like it, definitely I go by your headset, obviously, if somebody is being unreasonable's different than yes please speak up, but otherwise you know you don't want to be the guy coming up with excuses. It's very easy to again get blacklisted, not get hired again, right?

Quintin Sanders: 1:24:59

yes, and people who do that, who are in that space. They are already bringing tons of stuff that they're not charging for but just elevates the service that they can provide. The better service you provide, the more chances they'll call you back, show after show after show.

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:16

Exactly See. It's the people, it's the relationship it comes down to all of this bad, but investment is not necessary. That's my main point.

Quintin Sanders: 1:25:23

It's not.

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:24

Yeah, you can be in this industry. You can make money. You can make good money. Um, it's just all about relationships and again, if you want to meet someone who's doing what you want to do, just reach out.

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:36

I'm sure you have a quentin in your town or whatever. Or at least if you're in the central florida area, I would say and tell me if I'm wrong if somebody just sent you an email or said hey, quentin, I love what you're doing. I I would love to learn more. Can I please grab a cup of coffee? Would you say no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. You're going to make yourself accessible, just like I would. I find anyone in this field who's successful is generally open to helping anyone. You know who wants, you know who wants to learn. As long as you know you're not pestering, you're just being genuine about it, I'm sure you'd be happy to take an hour out of your time and have a coffee. Be nice, buy Quentin coffee. Obviously, don't let Quentin pay for it when you want to meet him, but you know what? I mean, I get the idea.

Vipul Bindra: 1:26:20

This doesn't have to be you. There's people out there who are willing to share and help people get into it and make a living out of it there's.

Quintin Sanders: 1:26:33

I think years ago there was a. I had to do this the hard way due to I'm not going to really tell you I think that whole mindset gone, even when it comes down to traditional film. I don't think it's that way anymore from people I've spoken to who operate in both spaces yeah, I mean, there's still politics in hollywood, but let's not get there. That's why I'm talking about on a, on a, just a day-to-day person to person. One man on a crew.

Quintin Sanders: 1:27:03

I'm saying people aren't like gatekeeping as yeah, they used to, and in the av space people aren't gatekeeping how they used to and the live event space people aren't gatekeeping like they used to, at least on the lower ends, where you're just a guy who wants to get on. Yeah. And you're the guy in someone's mind when they need an extra person.

Vipul Bindra: 1:27:24

Yeah, that's the person to call and here's the thing If you find somebody you know who is that type, then hang up the phone, go find somebody else. There's always going to be somebody nice who's willing to, like you said, who's not gatekeeping, who's willing to share, because at the end of the day, you know you're not asking for something unreasonable. You're not just saying, hey, take me on a set, take me on a set. You know. All you're saying is, hey, teach me or tell me how to do this. Obviously, the effort lies on the person.

Vipul Bindra: 1:27:56

They have to still go learn and whatever, or you know, move their way up. But what I'm trying to say is uh, I'm pretty sure you and other people like you would be happy to, uh, you know, share your knowledge at least. Uh and um, you know, not gatekeep and be like no, no, no, I'm not telling you. I don't think that exists, and if it does exist, it's a nowadays. At least there's a limited amount of people, and those people are out of the way anyway because it's you know they're dinosaurs.

Vipul Bindra: 1:28:15

That's not how it works now.

Quintin Sanders: 1:28:17

You said taking on set. Now I think what some people don't understand is there's practical and there's impractical. It's impractical for me to take you with me to certain things, because I'm just another guy doing a thing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:28:33

No, that's why I said you won't take them to set, but you'll be happy to share that. Because, yeah, I don't, I don't do the same thing. I'm not just meeting you and be like, oh sure, come to my set. Now it's different. If I'm, at least for me, I've built a relationship. I'm happy to bring it and also for me, referrals, for example. Um, uh, the way we got together is because I called alex you know a friend of mine and and you're obviously great friends with him and I was like, hey, I want you to come help out. I need one more person you know who could come do sound. And he was like, oh, I know my buddy quentin. He's great and and you know, normally if somebody just told me anyone I wouldn't just hire them, but I trusted alex opinion and as soon as he was like I trust him there you go that's it sometimes, that how you can, you can be on set.

Vipul Bindra: 1:29:15

And now obviously we've been friends for a year and I've hired independently of Alex many times. So just in general we talk. So what I'm saying is that that goes a long way and if you've met someone enough times that you trust them and you can vet their skill, I'm sure if you were on a show and they're like, hey, I mean some operator called in or whatever, like we need an operator, you'd be happy to suggest the name of someone you trust, right.

Quintin Sanders: 1:29:41

Yeah, and a couple of quick examples of that. So Alex was on the show, wherever it was don't remember the hotel, but he was, you know, he was switching the show and they were like, hey, our, you know he was switching the show and they were like, hey, our camera operator didn't show up. We need a camera operator. He calls me, puts me on the phone with the guy in charge and I'll be honest, there are certain times of the year where you're busy enough where it's like I don't even want to do this. Yeah, that was one of those times. I I had a hammer drill in my hand mounting a TV. I did not want to go and I had just got back and I did not want to go and operate a camera for the next three days. But I was like money talks, finished what I was doing and went and, you know, did the thing. But that's just an example of you know. It's also about who you know did the thing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:30:38

But that's just an example of you know. It's also about who you know. Simple, like if alex knew you and obviously you guys are friends so he would call you. But that's what I'm saying you. It's also who you know, and the only way you'll get to know people is by getting out of your home and going out and networking.

Quintin Sanders: 1:30:52

But also being good enough to do the job.

Vipul Bindra: 1:30:57

Yeah, skills is first.

Quintin Sanders: 1:30:59

Because, you know, like the first initial way we met, I was brought in to do sound. I wouldn't consider myself a sound person. However, I was passionate enough, understood what needed to be done and did it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:19

Yeah, you did a great job.

Quintin Sanders: 1:31:21

But for some people, you know, if you're not confident enough to say yes to that job. Yet me personally, I don't think you should say yes to it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:31

No, I completely agree. Please don't say yes, because had that sound not been good, I would have been really, really really not, not happy and we would have not had years you.

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:40

You wouldn't have been happy with me and you wouldn't have been happy with alex yes, exactly, and it would have ruined my relationship that I had with alex at the time. Right, because the only reason at that time because, like I said, I didn't know you personally, then you were there was because alex said to you and but that's what I'm saying, if somebody asked me to bring somebody on set, if I'm recommending them, I'm putting my name on the line. So same thing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:32:02

Like you said, you couldn't have said it better. Only say yes if you're confident, because, believe me, you're not blacklisted for saying no. If you just say hey, yeah, I don't think I'm confident as a sound guy, but I'm happy to do be a cam op or whatever, whatever the the point is, you will not be blacklisted. But or forget blacklist just in general, you're not souring the relationship. But if you do, um screw up, not only are you ruining the shoot, you're also making sure that uh, you know you're not getting hired again. Plus, now you're ruining my friendship with someone else. Obviously you didn't do that. You did great. Everything is fantastic. I brought you back as a sound guy again because you know that is on me also. Don did great. Everything is fantastic. I brought you back as a sound guy again because you know that is on me also. Don't pigeonhole people because I met you as a sound guy.

Vipul Bindra: 1:32:41

So I'm like, oh, he's a sound guy. And then I brought you another thing on another gig and then we got to talking and you're like I'm not just a sound guy, I'm like crap, I gotta stop, you know. And then obviously now I know you're navy, you know your video and everything. So now I've obviously brought you um, we've worked as a you know, a camera guy too, but same thing, you know, don't pigeonhole, pigeonhole people, and but also don't say yes if you're not confident.

Vipul Bindra: 1:33:05

Uh, but if you are obviously, getting to network and meet people is great because that's how, like that, I met you and I wouldn't have met you, uh, if it wasn't for that whole thing and uh, which I'm excited to have, alex I'm gonna have him in a few weeks, so I'm excited to have him. Um, you know, on the podcast too, uh, but yeah, no, that, like I said, get out, you know not, that's not for you. I'm just saying anyone listening who's not again, maybe at uh, making money from this or making enough money from this?

Quintin Sanders: 1:33:36

I think just go out and just say hi, just meet people for coffee, and I'm sure a lot of people are more than happy to I think, it accommodate you if you're reasonable if we're talking starting out like I've, I've done video work part-time at the beginning and so I can remember driving the truck. I was driving for the company I was working for driving through Manhattan or driving through New York in general. Like you have this idea of where you want to be and however, however amount of time that you have five, 10 years, whatever but I remember like man, if only, if only, if only because you're driving past productions that are shooting. You're driving past even production-related vehicles.

Quintin Sanders: 1:34:25

Yeah, that's a lot in New York. You're driving past trailers, you're driving past production trucks, you're driving past a set, you're driving past picture vehicles actually being filmed on, and it's just like, if only um and I think at that point, even watching youtube at the same time, while driving.

Quintin Sanders: 1:34:47

Watching youtube, whatever, um, oh my goodness, don't do that but, but even like just driving and watching people and driving past the things happening at the same time, it was just like crap, I wish, I wish, I wish. And it was only because of the constant going for it that you get there.

Vipul Bindra: 1:35:06

Yeah, no, no, I'm with you, not to sound preachy, but exactly, you know, for years I was like, oh, I'd rather be doing video, I'd rather be doing video, but you, know, it's, this is just passion, right, this is not.

Vipul Bindra: 1:35:16

You know, this is in full time, whatever. You know just like that, especially um, being indian. You know, doctor, engineer, you're just a failure. This is how you, at least I was raised up. So I'm just like um, but I don't want to do that. You know, this is what I want to do and um, anyway, the taking that leap of faith was the hardest thing, but, like you said, actually doing it is is so incredible, um, I think the the best thing you can do is actually just do it, you know not to be confused with quitting tomorrow and going for it.

Quintin Sanders: 1:35:50

I mean why, not because people got bills to pay.

Vipul Bindra: 1:35:53

Okay, yeah obviously don't do that if you got.

Quintin Sanders: 1:35:56

But I mean I mean develop developing a plan to make it happen and making it happen in a certain reasonable amount of time, and not saying I'm going to make it happen for the next 10 years and don't make it happen no, absolutely.

Vipul Bindra: 1:36:07

I know very, very well, said quentin yeah, I don't. I don't want anyone to not be able to pay their bills, not just listen to this and go like, oh, these people are making six figures, seven figures. Whatever they're making, I want to do that too, so I quit my job. Um, you, you want to be able to obviously pay bills. This works great if you're, you know, already student, living their parents or whatever, um, then you know you can. You can do that. But if you're not, then same thing I was saying earlier then go meet the people who are in the industry. Obviously get to a stage where it automatically becomes independent, because you know, once you've been on enough gigs and you're already pulling in enough revenue that you can pay your bills, it'll be a lot easier to obviously quit your full-time job.

Quintin Sanders: 1:36:47

No, thank you for saying that. I don't mean that I've stopped looking at how other people are running their race because no one else is in my specific position, you know. So I don't. I try not to be envious of other people and go I wish, I wish, I wish anymore, because I recognize I'm running my race. Yeah, and the only person running that race is me.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:13

So you know and the good thing is there's enough work. Yeah, please, uh like again, my thing is I don't want to be envious of anyone, uh, because, um, like you said, uh a, I think it just makes you happier, and then b, there is so much work, man, everyone needs video every. Uh, there's so much work, so why be envious? Rather learn.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:35

Learn If somebody's doing great if I see something that somebody's doing and I like it, instead of me going, oh, I wish I was doing that. I was like, hey, how did you get it? Like, exactly. I'm like how'd you get it? That was awesome. You know what was the connect? How'd you get it? You know blah, blah, blah, blah, sulking, you know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:52

I think that social media has done that. I'm very techie, like I said, I'm very forward um of social media since the beginning, but at the same time, I do see the drawback, where what happens is everyone shares five, ten minutes of their best life on it and then, when you're scrolling past 10 minutes everyone's best life you start to think that's all their life is. Everyone has problems in their life. Everyone has. You know that 10 minutes wasn't their whole day is what I'm saying.

Vipul Bindra: 1:38:19

So you can use it two ways, right? You can either scroll through and be like this is what I want to do, I'm. It motivates you, right. You get out of the bed. You're like, okay, this is the set I want to be on, this is the shoot I want to be on. That's one way to look at it and social media is awesome. The other side is, for some people. It's like they scroll and they look at it like, oh, that person's not even good enough, or why do they have that set, and then you're just negative and not doing anything about it. Uh, I think it can be harmful. So I think it's just you have to choose how it is, and hopefully it's the number one way, and if it's not it, then I think you should just quit social media for a while and actually go work on, like you said, just being happy and just working on your skills there's.

Quintin Sanders: 1:39:00

There's a certain level of like going back to just scrolling and saying, hey, that person's work isn't as good anyway. How are they doing? And I'm not. I'm like it's full of this world, is full of people like that that just happen to be in the right place at the right time, or just a little bit of luck, or they knew that one person yeah, or to give another side.

Vipul Bindra: 1:39:24

I mean what you're saying is correct. Yes, there's a lot of people again who you know matters, right, like Alex gave you a call. There's a lot of that happening, as in they will call the person they know. I'm saying that you sitting at home, that they don't know, uh, the the other thing is you don't know what the circumstances they were in, because a lot of my shoots sometimes and you've been on enough corporate shoots with me where it's like no, you've 10 minutes to set up, or you know hey, or like the key isn't to travel, they're like run, you know, like we want you here and you know the center is so big you can't be there. And then they're, you know, they're like, oh, the camera guy didn't make it. It's what I'm trying to say is like you don't know the circumstance also of what was happening in that moment.

Vipul Bindra: 1:40:04

Maybe they only had five minutes yes, maybe they are really good and what you're seeing is what they can do in five minutes and not five hours. Right, and you at home and you're practicing your lighting or whatever and you're like look mine's better.

Vipul Bindra: 1:40:17

Well, maybe you had, I don't know, I'm not saying maybe they are bad but what I'm saying is you also don't know what was the situation, so stop being judgy of other people and I don't know. At least for me, it made me happier where I don't try to do social media that much and when I do do it I am more oh, I want to do that, more of that. So I'm like looking at it like hey, let me connect with this person or let me ask them in a positive way because I want to do that and there's enough work out for out there for me to do that, and I just need to know how they did it. Like I would love to learn as more of an education thing than more of an emotional thing there are three.

Quintin Sanders: 1:40:55

Well, there are about four instagram pages, um, of people who are doing exactly where I want to be and I am. I'm all over anytime they post um. Anytime there's a story, I'm watching it and I'm just looking for details, looking for is there something there that they're doing in their process, like they're taking a picture of their their engineering rack, for example, like in their vehicle? What is that? How are they using it?

Vipul Bindra: 1:41:31

why do they have it? Yeah, why do they have it?

Quintin Sanders: 1:41:33

what show are they doing? Um, so there's a couple of guys like that who have big companies in different countries. I recognize they're in other countries, like Brazil and Mexico and a place in Europe, but there are a few different companies that are doing that stuff and I'm all over their Instagrams. I'm like, okay, what are you using? You're using the same stuff I'm using. Okay, how are you using it differently? So there's a couple channels like that. There's a couple guys that I followed. I'm like, okay, I want to be doing this also, just in a different way. How are they doing? So that's how I use social media.

Vipul Bindra: 1:42:07

That's very good. You know, I did the same thing when I was building my, you know, grip and production man, I was all over the youtube. There's a youtube not youtube facebook group and all other places. And you know, like, like you said, you're zooming in, you're like why do they have it? Why is it? You know what's the use case for it? Um, and you know, making you know that that's good, that's, that's the best way of using.

Vipul Bindra: 1:42:28

You know, I think social media is, and I'm pretty sure those people you know most likely don't have any issue with it, because that's how we grow. You know, we learn from each other and find efficiencies and and ways to uh, make our work better. Right at the end, they, you, you're building these racks or whatever to to make your job easier. You don't have the stuff just to have it right. Um, and if somebody else can help you get there or make you do, at least get there better and faster, why wouldn't you? And you know again, and I'm pretty sure most people are happy to again, like, share that education. But social media is so amazing. You can get a lot of times for free and you can get it quickly. Because you know, I love youtube, um, because sometimes I have this oddly specific question. But you know, in a normal world you'd be like I'm the only one having this problem. But you never know, and there's usually some some video with not that many views.

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:21

If somebody had that issue and they've resolved it and that can save you hours of time because I can just put the solution in, move on, and so youtube is great for that. But obviously there's a negative side to it. There's so much noise. If you just type a broad question, there's hundreds of videos coming up and a lot of people are not even experts, they're just making the videos so they can make a living off youtube. That you have to be very careful of, because then now that education isn't actually valid because those people businesses and what they're talking about is to actually be on youtube.

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:51

So there's a balance to it, I think and again it comes under the personal approach right, you have to use social media however it works best for you. At the end of the day, I just want more people in the industry. I want more people to make a healthy living from it and find success, because I think it's very easy. You just have to do it the right way and you have to do it positively. Then you know, buy a bunch of these courses and somehow go. Why isn't it working for me?

Quintin Sanders: 1:44:21

I know a few different people who have bought courses and, like man, I'm just still not understanding all of it and I'm like I'm not saying all courses are bad.

Vipul Bindra: 1:44:31

Obviously, education, like you said yourself, education is some of the best thing you know, for the best thing you know for the world, for for you, for your personal growth. But I'm saying there's so much noise, right, some of these courses are just there to make money, like the person who's selling you the course, their entire business model is to sell you.

Vipul Bindra: 1:44:49

It's funny you say that, because you know it's one thing that an industry expert goes hey, um, I'm the best plumber ever, I want to teach you how to be a plumber. But then when I'm done with this course sure, it's a side business, which is okay for people to make money I'm back to being a plumber, building new chains of plumbing or whatever. That's great. Learn from that guy, because he's in the trenches building a plumbing business. But now here comes the guy. He's like hey, you know a plumbing business. But now here comes the guy. He's like hey, I'm a plumbing expert and you learned? They just did it for six months and they quit. Now they're an influencer in plumbing, but they actually don't know anything. They don't know how to business scales, uh, what the real problems are when you're at that scale or whatever I'm just saying and then you're going to follow that.

Vipul Bindra: 1:45:30

Usually you won't find success, because what they're talking about is not relevant to the real problems you have in the field, and I think that's a lot with video. It's especially sprouted, I think, the last few years because the industry sprouted.

Quintin Sanders: 1:45:46

So many new courses popped up and that's terrible. You know, I was watching someone's podcast the other day and he's a video professional and he's a video professional. I try not to classify people as DP, cinematographer, whatever, because those things don't seem to be as separate anymore. Everyone's bringing them all together. So I just call people video business professionals or video professionals. Okay, because at this point we're operating in the space that we're supposed to be professional and we do video. Video is a vast term, but because I'm in so many different spaces and I know so many different people, I kind of just say he's a video professional. When people ask me, what do I do, I'm just like I'm a video professional at this point. Because me sitting here saying, hey, I'm a video director, yes, I am, and I do that, but I I try to do so many other things also because of so many different interests. Yeah, so the right thing. You know, an event with a couple hundred thousand people in nigeria one week and then designing a system for someone else the next week it's so funny you just glossed over hundreds of thousands of people yeah, it's crazy that's a big, that's a large event

Quintin Sanders: 1:47:09

yes, but I I try to tell people, don't think about that, because the job itself is the same. Just how you're doing it may scale. Learning the fundamentals of one thing will always work. Just you may have to do it at a larger scale, and the only analogy I can ever think of for that is like an audio console, like you have the channel strip. It's like once you learn how to use the effects and the EQ of that one channel, you know how to use the entire board. For me it's the same thing with all the video. Once you learn the specifics of this, one thing, it's just about scaling it. And so, yeah, it's that event, whatever you know. One thing, it's just about scaling it, yeah, and so, yes, that event, whatever you know, but you know doing that one week and then designing a system for someone else the next week.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:02

That's very good said, but you know, you know and I'm the, I'm the guy it's like but also the challenges, though on a 300 to 400 000 a person event would be far greater than yes a small, you shoot yes, you know and most you're like you've little equipment.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:18

Then you know, oh, maybe the hdmi broke or whatever I don't know. But that's a small, you know issue. Versus that, the issues they probably encounter are on a bigger scale and the only way you can learn those is by being on shoots that size right yes, I think, yes, yes to that, but still don't let that take you out of reality and just focusing on your thing, get your fundamentals right, because that environment.

Quintin Sanders: 1:48:48

Your job is only your job, anyway. Yeah true, so trying to think too large into other people's roles isn't going to help anything anyway, unless you have a perspective to help to show.

Vipul Bindra: 1:49:00

Or you're trying to be the guy who's in charge.

Vipul Bindra: 1:49:02

Yes, so it depends on the role you're trying to get into, but absolutely no. You hit the nail on the head there like that. Get your fundamentals right. You'd be amazed how many people I meet again who are like you don't know a lack of video production and they want to run a video production company. It's possible as long as you hire professionals and you're a good sales guy. But if you're trying to also do the creative part of it and it's not working out, it may just be because you didn't try to get your fundamentals right and it's not hard Again. Just be on set Again.

Vipul Bindra: 1:49:38

All I can tell people is like um, you know, nowadays it's you don't need school or anything, you just need to be on set. You just need to be on the set with people who know what they're doing and they'll happily bring you, you know, as a pa or whatever, as long as you build that relationship first. And you know, because most, like you said, people aren't gatekeeping anymore. People are happy to share. Plus, what I love is most people doing this are passionate about it. Very few people are in this just for the money. Obviously people want money, but most people are passionate about whatever, like you are going to live, because you're passionate about it. Right, I do corporate and and you know, commercial video because I love it and I'm passionate about it and those people generally will happily talk about it because that's what they love, yeah, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:50:20

Because that's what we want to do, so why wouldn't we want to share it with anyone? So there's no gatekeeping going on here. Rather, you know, you're fulfilling that internal thing to talk about what you love, and a lot of our spouses are just like please stop talking about it Anyway. So it's, they're just like please stop talking about it anyway. So that's like you did what today. Oh great, cool, yeah, exactly, yeah, we don't want to know about black magic.

Quintin Sanders: 1:50:39

What time will you be home? That's all I really care about exactly so.

Quintin Sanders: 1:50:43

So just, I think it's just more is just reaching the approaching um and and genuinely you know asking, and I'm pretty sure you'll be happy to find that information and go to where whatever role, like you said, you want to be um, but also yes, and not being afraid to reach out yeah because, for example, I didn't know many people in orlando at that time when I reached out to alex and the only reason why I reached out to him was because I was watching a youtube video on a GH5 or whatever and he made one, and then another YouTube channel was doing a podcast type thing where he had people virtually and Alex was on there and he said he was in Orlando. And I'm like, well, I need to reach out. And you know, I reached out to a few people that said they were in in town and, um, yeah, we just got over the hump of just reaching out to new people.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:43

Um, that was the thing. But see, you did that and look, he obviously accepted, which is why you know he knew you and it was a little weird, oh, really, and it was a little weird.

Quintin Sanders: 1:51:57

Oh really, what was the weird? I want to know this story.

Vipul Bindra: 1:52:00

So I reached out to him on instagram or whatever, and you know he kind of responded how many years have you known him? Um since 2020 okay so about four or five years so you're a year earlier than me, because I believe it was 21 when I met you. So yeah, a year before then, okay so reached out to him.

Quintin Sanders: 1:52:18

You know, he kind of was like, yeah, yeah, cool, because you know, I said this I am, this is what I do, this is who I am, whatever, whatever. He was like, yeah, sounds good. Um, and I was like, yeah, let's you know we should meet up, whatever. And he was like, yeah, let me get back to you on a date. Okay, cool, then I'm going to to best buy to get a hard drive. He's in best buy and he's online. And it was funny because I was sitting in the car about to go inside and I seen his company shirt on his back, but I didn't know it was him. I was like, I've seen that that's his company. So I'm like, okay, and as I'm going in the store, I was like, wait, that is him. And then I was like, well, shoot, now do I go over there? Do I wait till he responds to me on instagram? Because I'm like I don't want to be a stalker, you know like, you know just normal people, um. But I was like, yeah, why not go over, introduce myself?

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:17

and um, yeah, and that was it that was it.

Quintin Sanders: 1:53:21

I was just like, okay, getting out of my own way yeah, no, because we're not celebrities.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:26

It'd be one thing you have somebody who's like online influence or whatever, then they'd be like uh no, but we're video people, you know, like.

Quintin Sanders: 1:53:32

So if you just say hi, I'm pretty sure but there's a certain disconnect between watching someone's video online and yeah. The real person it's not the same thing when it wasn't planned. Yeah, especially. Yeah, you just got to be nice.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:45

Hey, oh, I just noticed. Aren't you, alex, something like that right, wouldn't you? That's what? I would just say that, oh, I think I reached out on instagram, yeah perfect something like that and then just be genuine about it.

Quintin Sanders: 1:53:56

Don't be weird, obviously yeah, and you know, just using that process to reach out to more people, and that snowballed to other people, which snowballs to other people. So it's just like just going for it and not being afraid to to fail a little bit.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:11

Yeah, yeah, because get used to know, because again some people will not respond, and that's okay, you know, this one like don't give up on one person, you know, try, try a few, you know and you never know again.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:23

People are busy because you have to understand if at least you know, like people who are actually doing this, they're busy, they're like you know, they're actually working professionals. That's what you're trying to reach them. So you know, time is obviously important. But again, I would be personally at least I can speak for myself. I'd be happy to share my information, like, uh, my, any information I have. It just may be like, hey, I'm traveling right now, but let me get back to you, or, or why don't you reach out? Usually I'll tell them because I know I'll forget about it and I don't want to be the the person because you know my priorities are video and family.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:55

I know everything about my project, but that's it. You know I'm not thinking about the rest. So I'll be like reach out to me in two weeks and I will happily. And then, when they do and you know, I'm happy to meet them. Point I'm trying to make is I am, I'm happy to share and everyone I've tried to meet, especially people who are doing well, they're happy to meet and they're happy to share and that's the knowledge. Or, like I said, hopefully you know that's the point I'm trying to serve with this podcast is get people information, you know, straight away, while they're driving or whatever. So it's free, you know, and even if they learn a little bit, like today. For me it's like you know how much money is there in freaking AV and you know, if they don't know that, then you know you wouldn't even pursue it, right Cause when you think video, you're thinking you know this video like live is part of video.

Quintin Sanders: 1:55:46

But we're talking from a operator's perspective, not an owner's.

Vipul Bindra: 1:55:50

Yeah. Because, as an operator, yeah you can make pretty good money. I mean and I'm just one guy and that's not my full-time Well, you're going to be an owner though.

Quintin Sanders: 1:56:01

I mean, you are an owner, right, right right, but I'm saying, up until a certain point I was just an operator and so just being hired by other companies and you know, as that person, as the operator, knowing what other people making, um, that are doing it full-time, I'm splitting my time. You know, video production, uh, av, focusing on trying to break into owning and operating a live event equipment company and all these different things. Those guys who are in it 24, 7, tons of guys, of guys who are doing $100,000, $150,000 a year just doing that. Yeah.

Quintin Sanders: 1:56:42

But the caveat is you are going a lot, you're always busy. Yeah.

Quintin Sanders: 1:56:49

There's not a lot of downtime, but when you give yourself downtime it's good. You can kind of do whatever you want. Exactly the thing that I don't want to get to is being the guy I met, a guy who owns a sound company, and there was a couple of the older guys sitting around talking after we were already set up, and we're talking about how they used to travel seas and you know, going for this amount of time doing tours and whatnot, and how the relationship with their kids suck, and I'm like, well, I don't want that to be. Yeah.

Quintin Sanders: 1:57:22

And so I'm always thinking about that also, trying not to be those people. Because one their bodies are jacked up. Yeah. And two, the relationship with their families are jacked up. Yeah. But they make tons of money and they're doing what they enjoy yeah, obviously your level of obsession can can can vary.

Vipul Bindra: 1:57:47

Um, yeah, no, it's very important, like what? What you're talking about is maintaining a family and you know, work, work, family relationship of balance, basically because at the end they sure, like you, love this and you're passionate about it. But you shouldn't consume you, you know you should still take some time, you know, hang out with the people who love you, who care about you. Uh, so, you know, so you have a healthy balance of both and you can still make enough money, I think. You know. I don't know specific to each specific AV industry, but I think you can make enough money and still pay some attention to your family. Yeah, I mean you're doing it, yeah, you know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:58:28

So I mean, all I can say is I take huge inspiration from you anyway because, like I said, every time, I know you're doing something and you still travel to family and, like you say, you're paying attention, traveled internationally and paying attention to your family. Now I get it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:58:45

If you were doing that every day, that'd be a different thing. Right? You're finding a balance and that's good that you're not also getting, you know, just bored with it. But no man, this has been incredible. Thanks for, like I said, taking time out of your time and from your busy schedule and all this feature and the things that you're building now and coming and talking to me. Anything you want to add, talk about, ask before we wrap this up.

Quintin Sanders: 1:59:13

Let's see. I've also thought about other. People have said you should do something similar. I'm talking to them. I'm like, yeah, it sounds like a good idea, but I don't really want to sit in front of a camera. But that was the point of the meetup is having those conversations that you would have one-on-one with different people, have it in a larger space and maybe doing it in front of a camera could help also.

Quintin Sanders: 1:59:42

Yeah, I thought about that, but really the goal this year is completely going into the live space 100%, building that studio space out, putting one to two OB vehicles out there and really diving into the virtual side of things. So those are the goals for the year.

Vipul Bindra: 2:00:05

That's pretty good goals. I'm excited to see the new studio, I guess, or the new space once it's done, and then also seeing the OB man because, like I said, I wanted to build one for years because we have, we do enough live events where you know it could be beneficial. But then again, I'm like I'm traveling so much, would it be like, because all my live events, a lot of them, are, like you know, flying somewhere or doing it. Then I'm like, do I want to build a van? So it'd be great to have a friend who has one. So if I ever do need it, I can obviously work with you on that. So that's incredible, man, like I said, you're chasing your goals, you're chasing your dreams and I'm excited about the next meetup as well because, like the last one was a blast.

Vipul Bindra: 2:00:44

I had such a good time and thanks for having me and and feel, you know, be a speaker and speak and I hope people got some value out of it, just like with this. I'm just like I just want people to get any value out of it or, worst case, entertainment, because I love podcasts when I'm, you know, driving long drives to miami, atlanta, whatever shoots, and that's my purpose. I'm like I'm just trying to make what I want to listen to. So, yeah, but that's incredible, you're quentin again. Thanks for coming, man, it's always a pleasure to talk to you, and do you want to tell people any instagram or any anywhere where can they go follow you?

Quintin Sanders: 2:01:17

um, I'd have to. I would have to have those right and use them yeah, you're like me, you're not posting anything no, but uh, it is going to change because of the new spaces and things available. I want to be more visible? Um, because just operating as myself I didn't really have to be, because most of the business was word of mouth anyway. Yeah, so I didn't have to be more visible because just operating as myself I didn't really have to be, because most of the business was word of mouth anyway.

Quintin Sanders: 2:01:38

Yeah, so I didn't have to be visibly out there, but we spoke about I'm going to change the company name. So at the moment it's in this media production, which is a mouthful. Yeah. But I have decided it's going to be Delta live media.

Speaker 3: 2:01:56

And that's going to be delta live media um and that's going to be everywhere.

Vipul Bindra: 2:01:59

Okay and um, I think we're still working on the studio name for the space, uh, but I guess, once you have all this let me know and we can put it in the description yeah, uh, and people can click on it because, uh, yeah, I would want people to follow you and especially if they have anything about live, they, you know they can reach out. Uh, but appreciate you again, man. Thank you for coming, it's been a pleasure and, uh, you're welcome back anytime, of course. Thanks,