Vipul Bindra: 0:04

Hey Sean, welcome man. Thanks for coming over. You know it's a new podcast, so thanks for giving me a chance.

Sean Philippe: 0:11

Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me. Yeah of course, man. We talk all the time.

Vipul Bindra: 0:18

So, for all the new listeners and you, basically the point of this con, this conversation and this podcast was I just wanted to start a podcast for years and I'm finally actually doing it because, you know, having been in this industry and hopefully now I'm slightly successful, I would say, uh, I would love. You know the. The most I learned was conversating with other people in the industry or related industries, and these are the type of conversations I wish I could have listened to. You know, when I was starting, or even now, as an experienced person, I always learn something when I'm talking to another professional, because they may have figured out something in our industries moving so fast. So, anyway, that's the whole point, man, we're just going to have fun, and who knows where this goes. So there may be some golden nuggets or they may be nothing right, this goes.

Sean Philippe: 1:09

So there may be some golden nuggets or they may be nothing. Right like I can't guarantee anything, but we're gonna have fun.

Vipul Bindra: 1:11

Right, I'm taking the nuggets, I don't have no nuggets to give. I'm here to take nuggets from vipple and go home I I am all open book. I'll share everything because that's what I find. You know, success comes from sharing. When you start to, you know, in a collaborative industry, keep things to yourself. You're just gonna fail you're not gonna go anywhere.

Vipul Bindra: 1:23

That's at least what's worked for me. So I am. I find the more I share, the more it comes back. Yeah, so why would, why would I keep anything? Yeah, so, um, I just hope, uh, people find value in this. All right, let's get into it so main thing, tell me what you've been up to man um, so right now.

Sean Philippe: 1:40

So you know, 2025. Happy new year, by the way brother happy new year, um 2025. I uh, last night I sat down for like I was working on new year's eve so I didn't have time to like prep my goals for 2025. So I sat down yesterday and like prepped my goals around um health finances, um, uh, health finances, spirituality and just like passions, and just was organizing that, did that for like four hours. It took a long time, wow, and I'm looking forward to 2025, man.

Vipul Bindra: 2:15

What I want to know is the passions.

Sean Philippe: 2:16

What are the?

Vipul Bindra: 2:17

passions of Mr Sean.

Sean Philippe: 2:19

I want to be a salsa dancer. I want to learn salsa. Salsa, huh yeah yeah, I mean just stuff that I feel like this last year I was working so much and there was no, nothing, just cause nothing, that's not making money just for passions. So, yeah, I actually want to learn to salsa, dance and my YouTube channel.

Vipul Bindra: 2:39

Okay, that's awesome. So are you going to still do stand-up comedy, or what do you think about your YouTube? You know?

Sean Philippe: 2:47

if I'm being honest man, so I've done stand-up for like six years and you know like, okay, you're a successful business owner. So you know like what it takes to be a successful business owner, which is probably all your attention and focus on that thing, or it's a hobby, yeah, you know. And for stand-up for me, I love it so much I'm like I can't do it as a hobby, so it's like either I'm doing it or not doing it. So I'm in a weird place right now. It's like I kind of I'm like I shouldn't do it if I'm going to play with it, unless you're going to go all in and risk your life trying to be a stand-up comedian, exactly.

Sean Philippe: 3:24

I mean, I don't know. I think you're doing stand-up late nights, thursday through Sunday, so you're not getting good sleep. Your weekends are gone. You're sacrificing so much time and I'm like I don't. I like video's been nice because, like, I make my own schedule and if I don't want to work on the weekend, I don't have to.

Vipul Bindra: 3:41

Exactly.

Sean Philippe: 3:41

No.

Vipul Bindra: 3:42

I mean yeah if had to. Exactly, you know. I mean yeah if you want to make money videos?

Vipul Bindra: 3:45

probably yeah, unless, unless you know, you become kevin hart you know right and uh, you could do 20 movies in a year, you know you're gonna different ball yeah yeah, you're gonna most likely not make as much money. It's a, it's a struggle game. It's the same thing with actually video. How many people I meet on a daily basis, you'd be amazed. Or like I'm, I'm, I love this, I'm passionate about it, and yet they're freaking starving artists you know, that's such a common thing in this field? Yeah, you have to be business savvy to be successful.

Sean Philippe: 4:14

What do you think like sets people apart? Who who make money? Because I've seen people who are good that just can't figure it out like what do you think sets them apart?

Vipul Bindra: 4:21

I think um, it's the same as my story, you know. The thing is you can be passionate about it. You're like, oh, if I am the best camera operator, if I'm the best sound? The truth is that doesn't matter. As soon as you show up on any set, especially like Hollywood sets, politics start to play. It's just who you know. You know they like you, right. That plays more into it. And same thing with business strategy. So what we do, like corporate video, right, or commercials it's like the client has to like you first, right. It has nothing to do with your skills. Because the truth is, again, we're in a collaborative industry. So if I'm not good, guess what I'm going to do? I'm going to go hire in my team people who are going to be good at that commercial.

Vipul Bindra: 5:02

So the skill is never really an issue, it's always the sales part of it and which is where people like me are not good, and that's what I had to fight, because, you know, you're like, oh, I just want to make cool videos, right, but then I'm broke, right, you're never not going to be rich. So how do you? How do you? Or forget rich, just be, you know, comfortable. How do you do that? And then what I found and, like I said, I'm so glad I figured this out was simple like, you have to solve problems, right, you cannot be the video guy, you have to be the problem solving guy, right. And as a business owner not myself I do the same thing. If I have a problem, I'd rather pay someone professional to solve it then spend years, months, you know whatever days of my life trying to figure that out.

Sean Philippe: 5:49

Figure that out yourself Exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 5:50

And it's so funny. If I met my own self 10 years ago, I'd laugh at it, because I was the guy like going on Black Friday, let me find the cheapest deals you know. And now here I am buying things because Black Friday is long gone and I'm still buying things and I need them. It's like I can't wait for next Black Friday. Old Whipple would have waited. New Whipple's like no, this is not making me money if I don't have it Right. So so it's like that.

Vipul Bindra: 6:15

It's a, it's a mindset change. I think it's very simple. It's just you have to understand that how much you want to be creative and tell me if I'm wrong. Right, it's not going to make you money rich. Right, it may make you creative rich. Yeah, if you want to be money rich, you have to go solve people's problems and you have to understand that your skills yeah, even though they're awesome, are dime a dozen, right? We live in Orlando. There's like three freaking colleges churning out hundreds of people every year who think they can do video. So you know, any price point you name, somebody will do it cheaper.

Vipul Bindra: 6:47

So you cannot compete on that right you have to compete on giving them results and solutions, and actually do it too, obviously. Yeah, and then all of a sudden you'll find business owners are willing to pay because you're making them way more Right and as simple as that. It's just that simple switch, it's just.

Sean Philippe: 7:06

I find creative people have a hard time doing yeah, I, I think it's um, it's like a middle. You know you definitely want to be like you said. You want to be good. You know, like when I first started my business I had like two philosophies that I I've like used to tackle. Finding clients first step, get good. You know you don't got to be clients. First step, get good. You know you don't got to be the best, but at least get good, you know. And then from there getting in front of people who want what you have to offer. You know, if you can figure those two out, then you're good. But I feel like a lot of the, the creatives.

Sean Philippe: 7:37

I know they don't do the, the networking part and they don get out there and know people and mingle and stuff like that, and it kind of puts you in a hole, you know, and and you know, I think, we live in the freaking instant, instant gratification society so they'll go to a networking event.

Vipul Bindra: 7:50

They're like I didn't get anything. They don't understand. It's a game. You know, people buy from people. They know like and trust. Right, you're not gonna build a five minute handshake and two minute conversation. You know what I mean. Like you have to. You have to actually spend time and nurture that relationship and maybe 10 times you meet them before they're like oh, you know what? Yeah, let's do a video or something like that. Or here, here's a buddy who needs. You know you have to build that trust.

Vipul Bindra: 8:14

So a lot of people, I think, just want like instantly right I think desperation shows too, and people business owners see through that, Cause you know you're a business owner. How many emails do you get peddling?

Sean Philippe: 8:27

you Thousands every day.

Vipul Bindra: 8:30

So you get good at freaking, filtering out people you don't want to buy from, but if somebody does have a good offer, I even. I am like hold on tell me more.

Sean Philippe: 8:38

Yeah, let me see what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know man. I feel like, yeah, my business has been doing pretty well, just from the networking aspect, you know like, but I kind of made us, I made it into a science. You know, when it comes to talking to people, like when I meet someone that I feel like well one, I have to actually like you. I don, it's crazy. I have like a list of all my friends and people that I've met and then, like, I try to just stay, you know, stay in touch like every few weeks, every couple of months, hey, how's everything going Exactly?

Sean Philippe: 9:15

And I feel like from that, people are like oh yeah, oh, sean's on top of my mind. Hey, sean, you know I got this project. You I'm not doing it for that, because I actually like talking to them, but I still want to nurture that relationship, you know because, we get so busy sometimes I find we forget. Oh, building a friendship takes time and effort, you know.

Vipul Bindra: 9:32

Yeah exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 9:34

No, I'm totally with you. Networking and business skills are far more important in being successful, even if you didn't want to like. Obviously, we're trying to build production companies and new production companies, but if somebody wanted to just be DP, you still need to it. As somebody who actively hired DPs, I'm like looking for that relationship. I'm always going to hire somebody I know and trust over somebody I've never met. I don't care what you've shot before, because at the end of the day, my name is on the line when I bring you on my set and if you do something stupid or if you don't achieve what I'm expecting you to achieve, it's going to be my head on the table, not theirs. So that's what I tell people like build a relationship with me.

Vipul Bindra: 10:15

I get 10 emails every day. It's like hey, I would love to learn. I'll just come work for free. And I'm like it's not about free, it's free. And I'm like it's not about free, right, it's about I don't know you and I cannot have you in a professional set. The better advice I'm like is just ask for coffee. I'm very rarely say no to people. I'm always like okay, I'll be in back in town and you know, on this day, let's have coffee. I'll always say yes because the truth is, uh, you know, I want them to see that, I want people to learn and meet, you know, because I don't want want what was going around me, right.

Vipul Bindra: 10:44

When I was in my early days people didn't want to meet, they didn't want to share. And then I quickly find out, the people who are successful wanted to share. It's only the people who weren't making money. They were like, oh, I got to keep all this to myself and I'm happy to do that, but I'm not going to bring anyone to my set unless I absolutely know them right.

Sean Philippe: 11:05

I gonna bring anyone to my set unless I absolutely know them right. I like that approach. That's that's smart, like asking for for car. You hear that you young, you young, is out there, that's trying to get out there because I've been offered that too. Like, oh, I'll work for free and I'm like I don't really need, I'll figure out the money part if you, if you need to get paid and you're good, but like, yeah, that doesn't make me want to meet you, but yeah, if you want to have a conversation.

Sean Philippe: 11:21

yeah, come on. Absolutely Ask questions.

Vipul Bindra: 11:23

And now that's why I'm doing this is hopefully they can learn from real people, and obviously I'm not saying there'll be two hours of good information, but I'm sure there'll be nuggets that they can pull out of it, but that's just the truth.

Vipul Bindra: 11:35

You need to have conversations with people who are already where you want to be. Stop learning, because my biggest issue issue online man, and then we do videos. Scrolling through instagram, it's like every other freaking person is like peddling courses. Everybody, dude and it's like, uh, do you want to make 150 a month? K a month. Let me show you. I have a guaranteed process. It's like, dude, if you were makes, if you're so good, then where's your video company? I want to first see that. Yeah, you know, I want to see the videos that you work, the clients that you work, who you're doing, because the truth is that is their business. Their business is education, which is fine. I have nothing against it. But you can get that information cheaper and better for somebody who's actually in the grind, you know who's actually doing it Right and you're going to find success way easier. And you're going to find success way easier and you don't have to pay for any of these stupid courses.

Sean Philippe: 12:25

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 12:26

And, like I said, the easiest thing is just ask for coffee, and you won't believe how many people who've done that where I've been, like you know, and it may not happen immediately.

Sean Philippe: 12:34

I want to know.

Vipul Bindra: 12:35

But if I'm like having a set and I'm like, hey, that person may be good, hey, do you want to come BTS or do you want to come do something? Yeah, want to come bts or do you want to come do something? Yeah, and then I'm even happy to pay them a little money, right, right. But that's how you graduate and you know, once you've been on a few sets, now you can be like okay, I'm confident, let me go work. Uh, instead of just straight up like I'll come for free and I'm like it's not about money yeah, I gotta know you, I gotta know who you are.

Vipul Bindra: 12:59

You might, you might, be stank yeah or worst case you know, they come to the client and then they start talking about their ex or or what you know something stupid, weird that we don't. That you know makes them uncomfortable and, you know, make ruins my relationship and like we just were talking about, I will.

Sean Philippe: 13:15

I will say there's some weird people in this scene. I gotta mess with people. I'm like awkward, you know. So it's like, yeah, you, you gotta, I gotta vet you, I gotta make sure you're not gonna like ruin my relationship with clients. You know y'all can make everyone feel uncomfortable. You know it's like I can't just hire you because you're good.

Vipul Bindra: 13:31

Yeah, it's a lot and then are you good? This is the other issue. Is that what again? What they're teaching you in school is? Like oh, do this, do that, and then you realize that's not how we actually do it especially in the corporate world yeah there's no delineation, as in most sets are. Tell me if I'm wrong. 10 or less people right, and so, even though I may be like sean, you're my dp. Guess what you're picking a bag you're bringing a light.

Speaker 3: 13:56

Yeah, I'm like so gaffer's busy.

Vipul Bindra: 13:58

Can you put up the?

Sean Philippe: 13:59

stain. You might be janitor for a little bit.

Vipul Bindra: 14:01

You're doing a little bit everything, and that that you know, I and and I want to be very humble about that If I'm hiring people and if I'm happy to pick up stands and bags and set up a light, then they can. Right, and that's just the nature of a corporate commercial job. You don't have big, huge crews with big separate departments.

Sean Philippe: 14:22

I've definitely come across some people who stick to their role and they're like I don't touch sandbags. You gotta touch the sandbag.

Vipul Bindra: 14:30

You're not gonna last right.

Speaker 3: 14:33

Especially in the corporate field, Because I'm like when it's so little, so less people.

Sean Philippe: 14:37

You gotta be flexible.

Vipul Bindra: 14:38

Yeah, you can't just be. I've seen people like that who are literally? Power pose standing in the center Alright. I'm just touching my camera especially.

Sean Philippe: 14:46

I understand if, like, if we have time, then you of course you can let everybody do what they gotta do, but if we're on a time crunch, you got 30 minutes, yo get the sandbag exactly what are you doing?

Vipul Bindra: 14:55

yeah, I don't even know why that's such a problem. I've had that happen where I've been like, uh, hey, here's your, here's your stand for your Dana Dolly or whatever, and that person goes eh, it's not my job. Yes, it's like last time I checked. This is not Hollywood, you know.

Vipul Bindra: 15:12

And as somebody who does sometimes not all the time, but I do tend to be lucky to be on bigger sets, and when I am I understand the hierarchy right, and then if there are 50 people on set, it be the opposite where you know you're not grip, and now you start freaking, pulling from the grip they're not gonna be happy about it. So so there's, there's a place for hierarchy but, that's not small corporate sets yeah you know we're doing talking heads and and commercials.

Sean Philippe: 15:39

Yeah, corporate interviews and stuff yeah, like it's crazy man, it's corporate interviews and mainly what you're doing right now too, right yes, so I do a few big commercials a year, I would say.

Vipul Bindra: 15:49

And then most of what we do is, you know, technically I work directly with clients most of the time I help you buddies out around the dp. But normally I am doing, you know, all sorts of corporate videos like you know testimonials, training videos, recruitment videos, stuff like that. So which is mostly talking head and b-roll yeah, that's just what the?

Speaker 3: 16:09

best yeah, and it's the best is what pays the best.

Vipul Bindra: 16:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah because ultimately you're solving their business problem, whatever that is. And then the craziest thing, on a small level sounds so easy interview b-roll. But you would be amazed how hard that can get, because once you return with 30 minutes of unscripted content, that makes no sense you know what I mean and you somehow form a story out of it. It's a challenge. I think there's a lot in post that we do. Obviously, we do great when we're filming too, but there's a lot that goes to it and I still treat those sets like Hollywood.

Sean Philippe: 16:44

You've been on set. Oh yeah, I've seen I, I.

Vipul Bindra: 16:46

I believe, personally, client experience is important too, because these, these people don't know what cameras you're using. You could show with the phone and they they don't know. Yeah, but they do know the size. They do though the quality. Once you deliver, they can see a cheaper camera, an expensive camera and tell that there's a difference in the final footage. They don't know what, what the difference is right but they know that something's different.

Vipul Bindra: 17:09

Camera has 70 buttons on it but but I've had like clients go okay, so we we hired a videographer, uh, and we're not happy. I've even had funny. So I I'll tell you one story that happened years ago where I talked to someone. We pitched them a proposal.

Vipul Bindra: 17:24

They're like okay, we'll think about it, Right. And I was like, okay, you know, no pressure environment, so whatever. And then come to find out, a month ago somebody came like the typical sales guy, sold them a video, even made the video like same day type of you know, hey, we'll make you a video. And then the video was done. I told them a whole package right, here's going to be a walkthrough, here's going to be a commercial, there's going to be interviews about each of the person.

Speaker 3: 17:50

Like you know it was very extensive yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 17:52

And it was solving real world problems that they had. And this was just a funny video that they made them like go wave the office staff and then set to music. There's like and so the client doesn't understand, obviously, the technicality that they were needed to be interviewed, b-roll. But you know what they told me and that they called me back. I was like they're like we're ready to move forward with you and then come to find out and I was like what happened?

Speaker 3: 18:17

they were like well, you know, they pitched it was cheaper.

Vipul Bindra: 18:21

But then when we got the video, we're like this is not what we wanted, right? So so kind of like, yeah, and then the client, and then they come back, so it's okay, you know yeah because they and then they obviously loved our videos yeah, that's exactly that's what you wanted.

Sean Philippe: 18:34

Yeah, it costs. Sometimes it costs to get what you want exactly because you know I had freaking staff there. It's not and also people.

Vipul Bindra: 18:40

It's not just money.

Vipul Bindra: 18:41

You know, for it's like no, I had to have, you know, sound guy, I need to have freaking two cam ops and we're doing actively. You know equipment and everything and we have to somehow manage that in a live working space where clients are coming in and out, we can't disturb that. So we have to, you know, tear apart, build their office or whatever, to have space for us to film. Point is it's not cheap, right. At the same time, it's not expensive because the truth is tell me if I'm wrong Again I think my clients report on average making over 10X return immediately from my videos and that's not because I'm selling any returns.

Sean Philippe: 19:17

I'm selling good looking videos. That's it. That's what we do.

Vipul Bindra: 19:20

But at the end of the day, if videos are effective, they immediately go to work and make money right.

Sean Philippe: 19:26

Yeah, the way I usually frame it with my clients, I don't really do like a 10x thing, but I'm like, if you have a quality brand, why wouldn't you want a quality video, exactly like plain and simple? I mean, nike's not putting out no like iphone, like scrainy video.

Vipul Bindra: 19:41

It doesn't look good and funny thing is you can now have you seen? The Apple events man.

Vipul Bindra: 19:45

Oh yeah, dude, like so. But what's funny is I love when they put the BTS out, because I knew it as soon as I saw it First time. You know when they did it it was what, a or whatever, and I'm like whoa, it took me back for a second, but then as soon as I went back I was like, oh, I get it, I see it. But at the same time it's good because not it's an iphone, it's which? Iphones are pretty good now, but it's not the camera, it's the condor behind and the huge crew behind this like freaking they made custom rigs for it.

Vipul Bindra: 20:20

You know, there's something that the moves that they're doing yeah I'm like dude, like of course, of course the camera wasn't even factor in the budget. Obviously that was the goal to promote, but it's the people, the crew, the equipment it's all that, all that goes into it good, not the camera. I have personally snuck iphone shots in commercials before, and this is when I I'm talking iphone 10 the camera wasn't that good.

Vipul Bindra: 20:44

And people couldn't tell. But the thing is, I didn't do it because I liked iPhone better. It was just an angle we needed to get and there was no other way to get yeah. It was a tight office. It's where we can get it and we did. And at that time we were filming on RED and it fit with the RED footage just fine. So and it fit with the red footage, just fine. People couldn't even freaking tell I still don't have the agency. The agency is never. They may know now.

Sean Philippe: 21:07

I didn't mention the exact commercial.

Vipul Bindra: 21:10

But you know, like the agency, nobody ever came and says like this shot.

Sean Philippe: 21:13

Is that an iPhone footage?

Vipul Bindra: 21:15

So it's like helium and monster footage. And then there's an iPhone 10 shot in there. Yeah, yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Camera, so that's what I'm saying. Camera to me nowadays doesn't matter as much, it is the people behind it. I think that makes such a big difference.

Sean Philippe: 21:28

Yeah, for sure. So, as you know, I'm a new FX6 owner as of, I think, february last year. Welcome to the family, I know yeah, it was tough for me to kind of make myself get it. I knew that my camera doesn't really matter because I can get the footage with the FX three, a seven, s, two, whatever you can do it.

Sean Philippe: 21:49

But then, iPhone, like you can make it happen. But then it was like, like you said earlier, like the appeal of the camera, like I've gotten so many jobs just from like, oh, you have that camera.

Sean Philippe: 21:59

All right, cool, I'll take it or like I'll go to set on like a client shoot and they're like, whoa, what is that thing? It just blows their mind because they can't understand it. But I'm looking at them like I can get whatever I'm getting from this camera. I can get from the cheapest $500 camera too, but it's just yeah but they can't tell.

Vipul Bindra: 22:16

Here's to controversy. Let's start at first we getting controversial. I'll tell you two things here, that's going to be complete opposite, I don't like the FX6.

Sean Philippe: 22:26

You don't like it. Oh my, Let me get your cameras.

Speaker 3: 22:28

Let me do that the other way.

Vipul Bindra: 22:30

I own two of them and they have paid for themselves like 100 times over.

Sean Philippe: 22:33

Yeah, yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 22:34

The cameras make money right. Now if somebody came to me blindly and was like, what camera do I buy? I would literally tell them FX6, even though it's three years old. Because here's the truth.

Speaker 3: 22:43

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 22:44

The camera makes money. It makes money and the truth is the positives right now. Now they're throwing shit at.

Sean Philippe: 22:51

Sony.

Vipul Bindra: 22:54

The image is better. I can tell a difference between FX3 and FX6. I can tell the difference between A7S2 and FX9 and FX6. But the truth is, like you said, our clients are not going to be able to tell especially with good lighting and good sound.

Vipul Bindra: 23:07

That's what they're going to notice more than the camera. So camera doesn't matter. But the truth is, when you bring in FX6 to set, you throw a good lens and a good matte box, not only are you going to get good image, the client sees a real camera. They go ooh.

Sean Philippe: 23:21

I wanted that.

Vipul Bindra: 23:26

That's what I expected. Yeah, when you put a fx3 on a gimbal right because we that's what I prefer over fx6 the client goes hey, what, what? Why did we switch to a small camera right? That's just a nature of humans. They don't understand that the sensor is pretty much the same I don't think it's exactly because it doesn't match.

Vipul Bindra: 23:40

Yeah, but the people say it's somehow same. Either way, I I know I can get% and it's a better unit when we need to quickly grab B-roll Right. But to a client, you know, it's like all of a sudden they go what happened?

Speaker 3: 23:56

Why are we using tiny and?

Vipul Bindra: 23:57

so that's the truth and that's why I'm like you'll make more money If you could only have one. You got to have the FX6. Yeah, if you could only have one. You got to have the FX6 because that camera makes so much money.

Sean Philippe: 24:05

It's crazy yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 24:06

And it's not even like I said. The quality is good, I think the camera's fine, I just don't like the ergonomics person, I think there's way better cameras out there. But truth is, if I could own even more, I'd buy two more because I know I can go out and make the money back.

Sean Philippe: 24:21

It just makes sense.

Vipul Bindra: 24:22

Because, at the end of the day, I'm thinking as a business owner and to me all that matters is ROI, my return on investment on the camera I don't want, because you know these don't sell.

Vipul Bindra: 24:30

The truth is, especially once the new one comes out, when I go to sell them I'm not going to get that much money, even 30, 40% at most a c70. He's gonna be next on the podcast. Talk to him about that. Tell him get fx6. Hey, funny enough, I love the c70. I used to at one point own four of them, oh, and it was one of my favorite cameras, funny enough.

Vipul Bindra: 24:52

So the two, okay, the current workhorses, for us at least, are on the alexas, yeah, uh, the mini and the million mini and lfs on the higher end commercial and interview stuff, and then lower end I end, I said lower, mid to lower end is FX6 and FX3. That's the cameras I'm using nowadays and that's what the demand is Right. But if I could choose, I would choose C70. Yeah, dude, the image on the thing is the closest thing I've ever seen to.

Speaker 3: 25:19

Alexa the.

Vipul Bindra: 25:20

DJO sensor is beautiful, but again it doesn't make you money it doesn't make money and as soon as I switched, I'm telling you as soon as I switched from Canon to Sony, I made my camera money back.

Vipul Bindra: 25:33

Like it cost me what 30, 40 grand, I think that switch when I did a couple years ago, but it was immediately I'm talking like two weeks. It was paid off. I was surprised, Crazy, and I'm holding the camera and, to be real, I was new to the sony ecosystem so I'm going. You know I'm used to at that time reds and cannons and you know, alexis I wasn't used to the sony ecosystem I had.

Vipul Bindra: 25:52

I shot a couple of videos on fx effect, fs5s or whatever yeah, yeah, the point is and even then I had hated it. I was like I'm just shooting because the the, the person wants me to, uh. But so I was going like I don't know the ergonomics work for this or whatever, yeah. But then when I was like, oh, the demand, everyone's like oh, you got two fx6s, sure, let's put it to work. Oh, you can bring fx3s.

Vipul Bindra: 26:14

Oh, you, let's let's do it, and then I was like this was the best decision ever I am never I am never going back and that's what I tell people. If you're starting out, what camera can you get? Fx6. Right, corporate world again, and then, second camera, get an FX3. Between the two of them you can do Everything you need. I think 99% of you know and because you can always rent.

Sean Philippe: 26:38

For high-end commercials. You can rent something better.

Vipul Bindra: 26:40

You know, you can rent a Barano. You can rent a Barana, you can rent a Lexus or whatever.

Sean Philippe: 26:43

Corporate work. If you're trying to make some money, fx6 all day. So last year, as you know, I started my business two years ago. I only started two years ago. Year one, I made like $10,000. It was tough. I don't know how I ate.

Speaker 3: 27:00

In Orlando? Yeah, it was tough.

Sean Philippe: 27:03

I had a ZBE 10. Your rent is like 10. Yeah, I struggled. I was on the street, it was tough, it was a hard time. But last year you know that's when I bought client work was starting to come in. Things are, you know, picking up steam. I had the money and I was like you know what? Fx6?

Vipul Bindra: 27:25

it just makes sense and I think the only reason I made six figures last year is because of the fx6. Six figures first time, first time my life.

Sean Philippe: 27:29

I don't know, people are obsessed again I don't think the number matters, from 10,000 to six figures, it matters hey, uh, no, I know the first time I hit it, you know, man that was like oh, if I could just make six figures from video, why would I have a job?

Vipul Bindra: 27:46

or whatever you know, and that was the dream and then, when you finally hit it, I was like I need to make more.

Sean Philippe: 27:53

I got to make so much more. I was doing taxes this morning. I was like I got to make more. What are you talking about?

Vipul Bindra: 27:59

Yeah, because you forget, because now you got to freaking pay taxes, self-employment taxes. You got to pay here TPP? No, not TPP. Tangible property, which is I think is egregious tax there's so many freaking taxes you got to pay and it's just crazy.

Sean Philippe: 28:15

I actually wanted to ask you are you LLC, s-corp? So LLC LLC. Have you thought about becoming S-Corp?

Vipul Bindra: 28:22

Yes, this year. So know I'm a big believer in equipment which is the worst thing. I would say Buy nothing. Yeah, that's how you make actual money, but Don't be like this man. Please Look. And I think that's what differentiates me, because, like I was, telling you.

Vipul Bindra: 28:39

I'm an artist who loves cameras, lights, sound, everything Like. I am obsessed with this right, I live and breathe video. But the truth is I'm also a business owner and I can separate the two and I can tell you as a business owner look, equipment has never made me money, right, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop buying equipment he loves it.

Vipul Bindra: 29:01

So business has been great as in. Like you know, I do the business, I make lots of money and I just pour into you know gas, you know gear acquisition syndrome Right right, my problem I need help, save me.

Sean Philippe: 29:12

But anyway, but yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 29:14

So the advice I give, that's why I tell anyone I'm like man, you don't need to buy any equipment because, guess what, most people I hire, especially on the mid to lower level, I provide them all the equipment. You don't need to own anything to be working on my set, so why would you go buy it? And even if you want to be a dp, let's say, just have one camera package, yeah, fx6, but that's it. Any production you go rent, you know, your grip truck or your sound guy or whatever to make the production happen.

Vipul Bindra: 29:39

There's no reason for you to own that much equipment, like people start to, because the truth is at that level your equipment isn't good enough anyway so so the truth.

Vipul Bindra: 29:49

So, for example, right, I'll give you an idea what most people will do. They're like oh, I need a shotgun. And then they'll go google, oh, mkh416 is good. And then they'll rent it. Not rent it, they'll buy it, add it to their kit, because now they have good, good sound. And then the first time they use it, they're like um, it doesn't sound good. Because what they don't realize is don't go to these youtubers, because their mic is good, very good, but it's directional.

Vipul Bindra: 30:12

And guess what most people do in corporate world? They're not actors, they're going, yeah yeah, exactly, and then your sound is going in and it doesn't sound that great and you're disappointed and that's, and you would have been better off with something cheaper. Just to go buy for your regular talking heads and anything better. You should be budgeting for a sound guy and in trying to be cheap you screwed yourself over.

Vipul Bindra: 30:36

And now, guess what, you can sell that mic for it's $500 instead of $1,000, instant $500 loss because that mic has been around for two, three decades and there's tons of them out there.

Sean Philippe: 30:44

There's too much of them yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 30:46

So the point it wasn't a good investment. So, I say buy the least amount of gear you can do some projects with and anytime you do bigger projects, always rent gear. Right, that doesn't mean that's what I do.

Sean Philippe: 30:58

I know that's not what you do. Do as I say, not as I do. Yeah, I know that I'm not saying all, that's not what you do. No, that's not what you do.

Speaker 3: 31:03

I've seen what you do.

Sean Philippe: 31:04

I've seen the binger production labels on thousands of gear.

Vipul Bindra: 31:08

I know what you do, hey, anyone who wants to rent it. I got a whole production man for you to rent.

Sean Philippe: 31:13

Oh yeah, he got it, he got it.

Vipul Bindra: 31:14

If you want it, I'll rent it to you. There you go, there we go.

Sean Philippe: 31:28

We'll work together route of, like you have all this gear. A lot of people I feel like they collect gear and they don't make money off of the gear but, like, as a business owner, return on investment, like I have to make a return on investment. Yeah, even though it took a while, you collected all this gear, but now you have this grip truck so it's like, okay, I'm gonna make my money back after all this, these decades of collecting gear no, I've been talking about for a couple years, you know this man, everyone has known me it's hurt it because, um, I had a van and another trailer set up and I loved it I think I made even a youtube video about it but because it was so functional.

Vipul Bindra: 31:51

But the problem was when, uh, in orlando, you know downtown and stuff, it's just hard to maneuver a trailer and then you have to unhook hook. So I wanted to go to a van setup. So when I sold it the plan was immediately.

Vipul Bindra: 32:02

But then, you know, the business side of me took over is like this doesn't make financial sense because I'm flying 80 of the time for my gigs, right. So I'm like, why do I need a van? Point is, but I did need it for my, you know, still remaining 20, I would say, non-travel gigs, or within florida or georgia, maybe something like that. But point is, and I never made the purchase. But having finally done so, I'm happy to put the gear to work, because what was happening was, you know, when I have a project, sure, the gear goes to work, but the rest of them is sitting, and sitting gear is just not making money yeah so now that it's in a van, guess what?

Vipul Bindra: 32:36

I can not only do my projects and do them way more efficiently, and, uh, now, the days that I'm available or the van's just available, it can be rented out, it can be working and it can be helping other filmmakers. I have no problem with them making money, because obviously I'm not charging that much money. I think my rates are freaking incredibly low because I just want them to pay for the van. I already have the equipment.

Sean Philippe: 32:59

Yeah, yeah, paid his van off.

Vipul Bindra: 33:01

So you know, it's like it's both ways a good deal. And the crazy thing is it just makes me so happy because I wanted a legit grip man. You know I rent them, so I've been like watching other people's grip bands, like I go to New York, I go to LA and I'm like ooh. And now to finally have like actual and I'm talking like legit frames corners.

Sean Philippe: 33:22

You know what? Throw up an image of the van on it Frames corners. You know what? Throw up an image of the van on the video. I can go take a photo.

Vipul Bindra: 33:26

Yeah, yeah, Put an image on the video real quick. Dude, this is live. I don't know how to do that.

Speaker 3: 33:30

Never mind, we're just kidding.

Vipul Bindra: 33:32

But anyway they can go see it. I gotta make a tour video of that, yeah for sure. But the point is Again, it's something that makes me happy, it's something that's very functional for me. But again, financially, what I recommend to people? No, especially in this market, right, there's not enough demand. Yeah, if you were just like, oh, I'm going to make a grip van to make rental money, unless you already have the gear, like, yeah, you already had everything, so it makes sense.

Vipul Bindra: 33:53

Yeah, I just needed to get the van and even that's been so freaking expensive. Yeah, and the padding, the floors, the ramp, everything's been a nightmare. Buying all that and then getting installed, so I wouldn't recommend it. But like I said, especially now that I have it, there's not that many in this area. I don't know the demand. We'll find out.

Sean Philippe: 34:17

But I know I can put it to use, yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 34:19

Either way it's good. It's good for you.

Sean Philippe: 34:21

Yeah exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 34:23

Hey, I want to back that up a little bit. So what are you? Are you an S-Corp or LLC?

Sean Philippe: 34:28

So as of yesterday, I'm an S-Corp.

Vipul Bindra: 34:30

Ooh, this year you made the switch.

Sean Philippe: 34:33

What made you switch? So what did you tell people? So, after you know, first six-figure year last year, look at my taxes. I think I'm going to owe about like $10,000 in taxes.

Vipul Bindra: 34:44

That's not bad though.

Sean Philippe: 34:45

Yeah, it's not terrible, but I was like I have all the gear I need. I don't see myself buying any more gear, which is why I'm like if I didn't buy gear last year by the way it's IRS listening.

Vipul Bindra: 34:55

How's 10% your tax rate, sir?

Sean Philippe: 35:00

But no, go ahead.

Speaker 3: 35:04

Next, thing, this podcast could be over my best friend.

Sean Philippe: 35:06

You know, I love you.

Speaker 3: 35:07

IRS right.

Sean Philippe: 35:08

Yeah, good one. Well, yeah, I paid myself like 50K and then the other 50K. I spent a lot on gear and then I had like whatever.

Speaker 3: 35:16

Yeah, I know, what you're?

Vipul Bindra: 35:16

I'm just joking, yeah.

Sean Philippe: 35:18

So like I'm like I bought all this, I spent, like I think, 30,000 on camera gear and I'm like this year I'm not going to spend $30,000 on camera gear because I have my FX, are you sure? I'm 100%.

Vipul Bindra: 35:28

Sean, I'm talking to you in the future Do not buy any more gear.

Sean Philippe: 35:31

All right, you're done.

Vipul Bindra: 35:33

This is the other side talking.

Sean Philippe: 35:36

Don't listen to that side.

Vipul Bindra: 35:43

There's a Mark II coming out. I might buy it.

Sean Philippe: 35:45

But that's the last one, and then I'm done after that, are you sure? Okay, from Mark II to FX3 too, I might have to. I don't know, maybe.

Speaker 3: 35:53

Next year I'll stop buying and there goes more money.

Sean Philippe: 35:56

I just got to make more money, that's it. But yeah, so I, if I'm not buying any gear this year or any major gear, I'm going to save most of that money. But if you save most of your money, you pay more taxes. So it's like S-Corp just makes more sense. If I make $100K again next year and I pay myself $50K again and I have $50K sitting in my account, I don't want to pay taxes on that. So become an S-Corp and you pay less taxes on the $50K.

Vipul Bindra: 36:22

Exactly. I think the biggest thing is talk to cpa, the biggest thing people do is again you know, you, you, you start doing this, finally start making money, and most people just go oh, I gotta keep it all and the truth is the only way you can grow, because last thing you want to do is you know, and having done that yeah, receipts from the year just all over your mileage everywhere and you may make mistakes it's just better to hire a professional and you're funny you'll make more money because, yeah, a good cpa will find you ways to save on taxes.

Vipul Bindra: 36:51

They'll find right and they'll. They'll just help you. Just set up, like if it's time for s-carp or or what can you do? Or prepare you for the next year. You won't be.

Vipul Bindra: 36:58

You'll be amazed how many clients of mine will just like in december yeah, pay me for the next year because you know they can write off video production as advertising yeah okay, next year we want to buy 10 grand of video all and I'm like, okay, sure, so money comes in not that right off yeah, because december is, you know, a slower month for video typically. I mean, my december is pretty good this this year lucky I don't jinx it, but but the point is, you know, uh, so so people will do that and that's a good revenue source.

Vipul Bindra: 37:26

I'm like sure, absolutely, and write it all write it all off because they, because their cps told them hey, you gotta spend 10 grand or whatever right and I'd rather be on video, because the truth is, video will grow their business versus some other equipment, like I said, will not usually give you the return on investment you're looking for. So I'm happy to take that and that. It hurts, though, when you go out to actually film it six months later. Then you go. I'm not making money, I'm making zero dollars Exactly, which is why you need a good CPA and money management and business skills that are so important, but no, but that's so important, man.

Vipul Bindra: 38:00

You got to find the right professionals. Build a good team around you, get good mentors and I think that's the success, that's how you get it it's not by yourself, you know, stop, stop being alone and that's what, um, you know, changed, like I said, the game for me, yeah, because, believe it or not, which is, like I said, why I wanted to have these conversations, because, uh, when I started, I just felt so alone yeah, because you know, and especially and I know I'm an I'm an obsessive personality, so I get it.

Vipul Bindra: 38:28

I do more than most, but I was like talking to you know, when I was like, especially when I got all in, I you know, my job is done. Everything I'm just solely doing video right. All I could talk about is video right and and people around me, don't care because they're, you know, they're not the video people. So finding my tribe, finding people you know, like you like right who are?

Vipul Bindra: 38:49

feeling the same way, actually so important for your sanity, because last thing you want to do is feel like you're alone. Yeah, because then you feel like, am I right, am I wrong? Because you can't make the right decision. So it's very important to find your tribe and then believe it or not. A cpa even though they're not video people, they're part of your tribe they're helping you make more money, they're helping you be more successful and uh like I just recommend it to anyone.

Sean Philippe: 39:15

Yeah got to, yeah, and I definitely I didn't notice like why I would like video so much. Like I said, I just stand up comedy before and then you know, get into video and I'm like, oh, because stand up is by yourself, like you're not on stage with anybody else. You're up there by yourself, you're doing the shows by yourself, maybe a couple friends, but usually it's like random people that you've never done shows with and it's just like ah, all right heckling, you, yeah, you heckle an audience you gotta drive home in silence because you bombed this.

Sean Philippe: 39:41

It was terrible, you know. But like with video, it's like, oh that's. I'm hanging out with people all the time. It's like you're building this bit, even if you're not they're not your employees you're building like this community, and I think that's the thing I love most about like working in the video space no, that's my thing and I'm I'm um introvert, so I like to surround myself with extroverts like you.

Vipul Bindra: 40:01

Yeah, I'm introvert too. He always says this to me. You say that, you say literally meditated this morning.

Sean Philippe: 40:08

I made sure I got eight hours of sleep because I know my social battery like it drains very quickly. Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, here I'm running on maybe one hour of sleep. Oh really, you're crazy, you're crazy. That's my life.

Vipul Bindra: 40:19

No, but that's my fault. Yeah, let's not dig deeper here, but what I'm trying to say is, like you know, if there was five other people like me, we'd be, like you know, so focused on certain things, sudoku or something like that.

Sean Philippe: 40:33

Yeah, no, no.

Vipul Bindra: 40:35

But I'm saying even on set, like I'm so hyper focused on settings.

Vipul Bindra: 40:39

I like to bring people on set who are like fun and you know an extra word, because it contrasts, so I can focus on, especially when I'm'm directing. I'm thinking about 10 000 other things, right, and again, small sets. So also I'm like thinking about every department, everything and how we can manage it with a four-person team, let's say, for example, right. So last thing I want is the client to see that the thought process, because you know um. So having three other people, let's say, who are more extroverted yeah, I mean, set is fun, I'm having a good time, clients having a good time, right, it's very important, but that's what I'm saying. It doesn't mean you have to be extroverted.

Vipul Bindra: 41:15

That's why you collaborate right if you're extroverted, maybe bring some introverted people who can more focus on the work and not everyone's not just talking too much and for me it's the opposite, right I'm like I don't want too too much silence, because that would drive me crazy, even though I'm introverted, right right. I want everyone to be having a good time, and I need people like you, you know, to crack some jokes or whatever. It's a lot of pressure. Vipples.

Sean Philippe: 41:41

Make my clients happy? Yes, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 41:44

You're not only just camera grip.

Speaker 3: 41:47

You're also a comedian. You're also a comedian. You're also a comedian.

Sean Philippe: 41:51

Welcome to the corporate video production. That's the world we live in.

Vipul Bindra: 41:55

So you think you're going to do this long term though.

Sean Philippe: 41:59

Yeah, I don't know. I'm just kind of going with the flow, if I'm being honest, because you're new, but you're also successful right, you figured this out.

Vipul Bindra: 42:06

A lot of people take sometimes years to figure out. You're also successful, right? You figured this out a lot of people take sometimes years to figure out. You've figured out very quick, yeah, and I saw that immediately and I, and again I have to say it you may not take it, but your personality has to do with it. People want to be around you, right, I know I want to be around you, so I know your clients want to be around you and when people want around you, they want to hire you right.

Vipul Bindra: 42:23

People buy from people they know like and trust. Yeah, so you, you have an advantage from your personality because you're a nice guy right.

Sean Philippe: 42:31

Maybe, and I'm good.

Vipul Bindra: 42:32

Maybe I don't know about the good part, we can debate that, but anyway point out. Yeah yeah, yeah but you know you've had faster success than most people, so do you think you're going to now stick with this, or you know? I mean, you know you see this as a short-term thing.

Sean Philippe: 42:50

I've seen some numbers from some friends recently and I'm like oh them numbers look nice. So I might have to stick with this a little longer. I want to see, because I'm like I see what I did last year. This year the goal is to double and then we'll see what we can do, just optimizing my strategies.

Vipul Bindra: 43:06

So what's the magic number? 250. 250? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you think that's good. I think I can do that this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sean Philippe: 43:14

And then next year go up and hit an M, and then I'll see how.

Vipul Bindra: 43:18

I feel from there, look at that 250, then an M. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean and to be real the thing is, it's doable as long as you understand what it takes, Right, Because to go to 250, very easy in my opinion, especially from 100. If you're already at 100,.

Sean Philippe: 43:33

You know what you're doing. It's got to double down.

Vipul Bindra: 43:35

Yeah, which is doable. But then to go from 250 to a mil, now it's a completely different game, because guess what? Now you have to become the guy in the chair because you yourself care. I mean, I don't want to jinx it, but it's hard to do a million by yourself, right?

Speaker 3: 43:48

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 43:49

You have to hire other teams and have other people go out and do shoots for you. That's what the rest of that revenue a lot of time comes from is. You become the boss, right, but you have to then become the guy in the chair or the guy on the headset. You think you're going to be as happy doing that? Yeah, 100%.

Sean Philippe: 44:09

I hate holding the camera. I don't want everyone to know that, dude, sometimes y'all shoot me. I'm like man. I don't want to hold this heavy, heavy behind camera. My back hurt.

Vipul Bindra: 44:19

Like I want to pay somebody to do this and just like organizing orchestrate.

Sean Philippe: 44:25

I want to be a. What's it called?

Vipul Bindra: 44:27

I'm talking about the symphony. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah orchestrator.

Sean Philippe: 44:30

Yeah, yeah, I want to do that, I don't.

Vipul Bindra: 44:33

I mean, I love the.

Sean Philippe: 44:34

I love playing with them and stuff like that for personal stuff but like for client shoes, I'm like I'd rather just direct yeah and see for me it's a balance, the time Exactly and then I can go make money on my own shoots when I can. Direct.

Vipul Bindra: 44:52

And, to be honest, I like directing and producing. It's my favorite thing, but I am an inherently. You know I love being a DP guy for some guy and I cannot do that on my sets.

Sean Philippe: 45:02

If I did that, I would not have you know I would not be able to pay my bills. Who's going to direct?

Speaker 3: 45:06

Exactly who's going to be the boss, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 45:09

So, you know, I call you, I'll be the boss. I mean, hey, you're reaching for the stars and I think you can get it, man, I don't want to make a joke about that.

Sean Philippe: 45:21

This morning, man. That's why I'm like, if I'm planning to make 250, I'm expecting to make 250. So I'm like, alright, get the S-corp ready. You know what I'm saying. And now I got my emails and everything. Everything's ready to go and I just got to figure out how to do it. So what are you going to do different this year? I think I'm going to do more outreach. So last year was a lot of networking but I didn't really do much cold outreach. I got some clients from cold outreach, but this year I'm like I'm going ham on the cold outreach. I'm reaching out to get my strategy for you young guys out there, marketing agencies, production companies, av companies and conferences all over Florida Sending emails.

Vipul Bindra: 46:09

if I got to go to conferences and pass out cards and just meet people and just go super hard on getting more people to know who, who I am and what I offer.

Sean Philippe: 46:12

You know that's pretty good. That's pretty good strategy. Yeah I'm like I'm like I did a little bit of that last year. I made 100k. So if I go like crazy and I work, all day every day. I should be good. Yeah, I think that's doable.

Vipul Bindra: 46:22

So, um, what's your like goal? Like, how often are you gonna do that? Like how, what's your like you have a ratio often are you going to do that? Like how, what's your like you have a ratio that, hey, this much I go out and do this and this much actually work.

Sean Philippe: 46:33

Um, yeah, right now it's kind of like I'm kind of figuring out a lot of it still on myself. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'm I'm doing the video, I'm um, as far as like emails, I'm trying to send like a hundred hundred a day and then, um with like going to conferences or like networking at least, at least once a month at least, but I gotta find like the right places to go.

Vipul Bindra: 46:55

So you're trying to get hired by um by other people, right, because? So you're not trying to be the agency. You're getting hired by the agency. Is that your goal?

Sean Philippe: 47:04

right, yeah, either the agency or directly with the client the client yeah, that's what you do. I that sort of money's, that especially like, because, like one thing I do a lot is a lot of conference video and I'm like, bro, these people paying like a hundred thousand just to be here, yeah, just to get a booth spot. So I'm like y'all got money. Yeah, you know what I mean, you got it that that's huge.

Vipul Bindra: 47:22

Here in vegas, I think, are the two big places if you want to just make money doing conferences. They're a little boring work, but they're definitely the money's there. Cause they're paying so much they want to capture that content.

Sean Philippe: 47:33

And that's the only time they can. Once in a lifetime.

Speaker 3: 47:36

Yeah, exactly.

Sean Philippe: 47:37

Or once in a year.

Vipul Bindra: 47:38

Once in a year, yeah exactly, and you can find repeat clients.

Sean Philippe: 47:41

I was going to say like anybody here that's looking, looking for an industry to get into. I like the event space because, like, if you do a good job and you make good connections, they come back every year. Like I had a client last year. They reached out to me to do a conference in atlanta and they were like this is the best video I've ever had. Like thank you, the last guy suck. Like, you're so awesome, we're going to vegas next year. We can fly you out. Like it's gonna be like seven day shoot. I'm like, yeah, fine, and this is only just me.

Sean Philippe: 48:07

Like no crew like just gimbal, gimbal camera and like that appeared like 5 000, you know.

Vipul Bindra: 48:12

Look at that, make that, make that dough. But that's what it's about see. To them, the value is they know what they're gonna get right, and that's a lot of people don't get. I've had some clients and this is more from clients perspective who who don't understand it. Yeah, they're like why wouldn't I just hire local? Because consistency is key.

Vipul Bindra: 48:28

You can't have one video look so good and then the other one kind of be off and right your brand has to have consistent image, so they will gladly pay for you to fly anywhere and everywhere, because that is more important than the little cost of travel, right? So don't be hesitant, because I find a lot of people also don't want to then charge for the travel they're like I'll travel for free, or yeah, sure, just get me a hotel, or maybe I'll sleep.

Vipul Bindra: 48:53

I've had two minutes of sleep in my car and I'm like no, you've got to be able to value yourself, because if they're bringing you, they value you, they value you, because they can always hire a local. That's just the truth. So if you're flying, that means you are valued and you are important, so that means you should be treated well. You know right for sure. Now, that doesn't mean go start asking for business class. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not buying any business class tickets for me and I fly economy.

Speaker 3: 49:22

Yeah, yeah, but no spirit if I have to, you know, okay, no that's not.

Vipul Bindra: 49:26

You went a little too far earlier this year, so I had to go um. Funny enough, I had this, a lot of this, and somehow it worked out.

Vipul Bindra: 49:35

So I was working with um adam, I think in hollywood, okay, and then I had a buddy who needed me to fly to, like detroit or whatever yeah philadelphia either way so I told him like hey, I can't obviously go from orlando because I'm going to be there, right, but I can fly same day, so nothing in the schedule is affected as long as you fly me from uh, florida, no, my like near miami, hollywood, florida. So it's like if I fly from there straight to philly, you know, it'll all work out. And guess what? The only plane available was spirit. I was like fuck but then we did do that, to be honest.

Vipul Bindra: 50:09

He, uh, he uh. We got us the because we had bags and stuff, so it was worth the upgrade. We got the big they call it bfg or whatever big freaking seat or whatever. Yeah, upgrade. And then that was good. I, I was up front of the plane. The seat was big, it was comfortable, none of the spirit problems, yeah, so that one I will take. It wasn't that bad, but normally I'm like uh, spirit and frontier Plus, they don't have media pass things. You know, with the bags that we fly with.

Sean Philippe: 50:34

They don't care for media.

Vipul Bindra: 50:35

Exactly, that's what I'm saying. They don't give a shit.

Sean Philippe: 50:37

And then we need uh, yeah, that's there'd be you want to go with because they give you the uh, you get two, two free media bags. Sometimes they give you a little headache but like I had one time when I was flying to tennessee, the um, the airline person was like yeah, we don't do media unless you work for fox or abc. I'm like I ain't never heard of that.

Vipul Bindra: 51:01

Like, I fly southwest all the time, I'm not media, but no, I've never had that trouble yeah, they are easy to work with.

Sean Philippe: 51:07

That's why I like it, yeah because I just give them pass.

Vipul Bindra: 51:10

Actually I take way more advantage to them because I can also get pre-boarding with them, because I'll usually go and I have a. You know, obviously I'm a legit production company I have a legit production.

Vipul Bindra: 51:19

You know my badge, so, and I'll even give it to anyone who's flying with me like their own badge yeah but I've, uh, um, I will always like go to them and be like hey, obviously I need passes, but then can also get pre-board, because you know I need extra time for media persons carrying media equipment and sometimes you'll get pushback.

Vipul Bindra: 51:36

But usually when you're like no, I won't talk to manager, they'll give it to you and then the advantage is a you sit up front, so you're you know you can make your connections faster. Plus the dreaded thing for a filmmaker I never want to put my cameras, because I always carry cameras yeah, I never put it under under the, under the plane and the way they throw this do like overhand wwe into the plane.

Sean Philippe: 51:57

It's like.

Vipul Bindra: 51:59

Sometimes I feel like they just do it on purpose.

Speaker 3: 52:01

They're like yeah yeah they don't even look.

Sean Philippe: 52:02

What are they throwing.

Vipul Bindra: 52:03

You know camera bag, yeah, so uh, and I had to do that recently. That that was a. That was a very scary moment because we didn't know we were going to transfer into tiny, freaking plane. Uh, yeah and um, I was. They were like oh, that's the only place to play the thing can go. We don't even have over headbands liars. I went in it was a tiny plane, but they did have overhead bins I could have easily put my bag there but but that was scary.

Vipul Bindra: 52:29

I told the guys like, look, there's very expensive cameras in here, Please put it to the top. And nothing broke. But, yeah, that can be a nightmare. So at least with Southwest I've had good luck.

Sean Philippe: 52:39

Yeah, they're usually good. With that situation I had with the lady who was saying I had to work for Fox and ABC, I was like you know what, I'm about to be late. I paid the $100. And you asked for a refund and I called South West and said, oh yeah we're sorry you had to deal with that. You know here's a refund, Exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 52:52

So yeah, that's what I'm saying Take advantage, but get a legit ass main. You'd be surprised how I should have brought mine. It's a piece of paper. I'm gonna be fine oh no, that's legit see it's still a piece of paper, but you at least laminated it, but you know, there's a website who'll print a real badge for you?

Sean Philippe: 53:17

yeah, like a plastic card, yeah, with an.

Vipul Bindra: 53:21

NFC and everything you can even be like hey, just tap on it, it'll open my website, or whatever.

Sean Philippe: 53:25

And I get everyone who's working for me one of those A million dollars. You can do that. I don't know if they can see that, but look at the picture of Sean, come on Now, when I had hair. That's not you, oh my goodness They'd be like. Well how long ago was this sir? Yeah, that was probably like five years ago before I got engaged people. Yeah, most people will just have a paper and it's like, yeah, if you're getting pushback, then it's on qr code, they scan it, they see the website.

Vipul Bindra: 53:52

It's like okay, he's legit. Yeah, plus, you know we're not to be honest, we're not trying to take advantage of this.

Sean Philippe: 53:56

This is we genuinely need to travel with our equipment like I don't like bringing hundreds of pounds, how much would you pay?

Vipul Bindra: 54:02

yeah, you had to pay for all that gear hundreds of dollars, yeah, yeah, and I'm like I, but I'm also saying I don't enjoy bringing that with me so like we're genuinely going out of work and, like you know, they understand it, we understand it. Like, so, nobody's here trying to freaking, take it right. Plus, if I was traveling, my bags wouldn't weigh that much anyway right, you know, I don't know what you have to do to carry.

Vipul Bindra: 54:25

I have literally reached limits so many times. I have pictures where you know the 100 pounds limit, like my bag's, like literally 99.7.

Sean Philippe: 54:32

Like 99.8.

Vipul Bindra: 54:34

It's like it's funny, like how close I get to that and I'm like that's not clothes.

Sean Philippe: 54:39

That's clearly, that's definitely C-stands. Yeah, and lights and other crap, the boom pole or whatever when you're traveling, are you like, if you have to travel, you're bringing all this stuff with you.

Vipul Bindra: 54:51

still, it depends, you know. So I've kind of mastered travel. I do so much. So initially, how I used to do it was bring cameras and audio, because, again, most people don't have Shep's mics or whatever.

Vipul Bindra: 55:03

I like to use, so I'd bring that and then I'd rent lights and stands. Then now lights became so small because they're LEDs, I could bring lights and then all I needed was stands. But now, because again lights are so light, I love my latest favorite travel lights are like F-22Cs from Aputure or Amaran or whatever, but they're like very lightweight and especially if you take the case off you can bring a bunch of stuff. And then I found theseews foldable stands and they're they're like those cheap ones, but they're matthews, they're strong. Point is that's what I brought the last few gigs and um, I've had, but nothing but success because you know they're lightweight lights, they're strong but small travel compact so I'm having to, and then it it saves me time from having to rent stuff locally.

Vipul Bindra: 55:49

So that's at least what I'm trying. Obviously, that won't apply to every gig. Some gigs you have to rent like two ton or three ton grip truck when you're on set. But that's just part of the game?

Sean Philippe: 55:59

Yeah, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 56:00

You know everything is different, but normally again, what we're doing is talking heads, and I can travel with enough equipment to do good talking heads. I've done like 10, 20 talking heads at this point.

Speaker 3: 56:10

I feel like I could do in my sleep.

Vipul Bindra: 56:11

I've like seen every corner, every office. I don't think there's any different variation of an office left that I've ever seen, because you know again corporate they shove us in the same freaking office, same corner, same make it look nice which is like uh, there's a blank wall here all right, what can we do?

Sean Philippe: 56:29

you have a plant. Is there a plant in here?

Vipul Bindra: 56:32

right, you're hunting for random things, or, and then sometimes you don't have time. That okay, so you've 10 minutes to this interview like uh, okay you know like, give me at least five extra minutes I'm gonna put up this uh f20 to see, which doesn't take that long.

Vipul Bindra: 56:46

So that's an advantage too, uh, but you know it's. It's like crazy rush, um yeah that you have to put in, but at the end of the day, like I said, that's why I'm trying to become more independent. What I've learned I see the industry going is you know, the rates aren't going down, but you're expected to do more right like 10 years ago, they would have been paid you, let's say, two grand, and then they would have paid a sound guy, you know, 800 bucks or whatever they would have had a gaffer 600 bucks.

Vipul Bindra: 57:13

And they still do that on bigger shoes, but a normal smaller shoes. They're like okay, we'll pay you the two grand, but now you got to come with your own sound. You gotta do your own gaffing, you gotta do everything and and you're like uh yeah plus the 2000 me doesn't mean as much as it used to 10 years. So they're not going down but they're not really going up, and accessibility of gear has made it much harder for them to vet people.

Sean Philippe: 57:38

Yeah, especially because somebody out there will do it for whatever price and it's not good.

Vipul Bindra: 57:43

See, the thing is, if it was good, I'm okay with it. Market determines price. What happens is literally a full sale. Again, they'll give you an FX6.

Sean Philippe: 57:51

My friend has it. I'm like, how did you get this?

Vipul Bindra: 57:53

They give you a laptop, a MacBook and an FX6. The point is or anyone can buy it. I mean, it's a lot of money, but it's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, and you'll get hired because, like I said, the demand is so high. Yeah, when people are like I'm just looking for an fx6 operator and you're like I have one, but then when you saw a show on set and you don't know what you're doing, then it's like a disaster and then you get fired or they're like regretting their decision.

Vipul Bindra: 58:18

It's just overall a bad experience. But you have to understand like you're in that noise now. So let's say they're trying to look for not that I'm doing that many dp gigs, but let's say they're looking for a dp and they want an fx6 and I'd be happy to obviously do that. Right, then they go. How do they know, unless they know me personally? How do they know me versus a full-sale student, versus and not saying all full-sale students are bad, nothing against full sale.

Vipul Bindra: 58:41

Yeah, but you know, what I mean like how do they know the client Right Like especially if they're not from the industry like Right, what they're getting is what they want, until you show up on set and they go oh yeah, it's not what I wanted, I didn't want that and that issue didn't exist, I think in the back of the day. In the past, but now.

Sean Philippe: 59:03

I think that's more, yeah, more yeah, because nobody just had fx6 level cameras at the lower, lower level exactly, which is good, I'm all for.

Vipul Bindra: 59:12

Like I said, making it more accessible. Yeah, but there is a negative to it because I do multicam, so I love cheaper cameras, as in and again, to some fx6 may not be cheaper, but to me you know yeah, coming from alexis and reds it's cheaper.

Vipul Bindra: 59:25

But I can buy four, I can buy five and I can do multic-cam shoots on my own and right and make that rental cost, because that's how you have to make. You know your difference, but uh, so so, like I said, I'm all for making them cheaper, but at the same time that's the issue now yeah, yeah, you're, you're competing against that, but you're not really competing. It's a sad for the client, because all I want is nothing but the best for the client, right, I want them to, and if they could get something that's cheaper, absolutely go for it, it's just you know, some sounds too good to be true usually, usually nine times out of ten, is too good to be true.

Sean Philippe: 1:00:00

yeah, yeah, I um my f I don't know my fx6, it gets the client work done. It gets the job done. I do feel like there's no barriers to entry, you know, but like, what's your B?

Vipul Bindra: 1:00:17

camera A7S. So how does it match? Do they match? Well, it matches pretty good. It's locked in, yeah, yeah.

Sean Philippe: 1:00:25

Yeah, it matches. Yeah, I'm about to say it's a little warmer. I feel like it's a little bit warmer, so I just had to adjust the warmness of the a7S III, but it looks almost the same. Nobody can tell.

Vipul Bindra: 1:00:33

Okay, yeah, and what lenses are you choosing normally?

Sean Philippe: 1:00:37

See this is coming from the king of G Master himself. The G Master king.

Vipul Bindra: 1:00:43

My favorite are ARRI Sign signature primes.

Speaker 3: 1:00:46

I can't afford them I can't afford them on every gig.

Vipul Bindra: 1:00:50

I don't own them. I have to rent them, so I can't rent them on, you know. Unfortunately, that's one thing I don't own, not yet. I would love to own a set, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:00:58

How much those lens cost.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:00

Like 40 grand a pop.

Sean Philippe: 1:01:02

And then you got to buy the whole set Because you know you need at least. That's crazy. That's the price of a car.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:06

Yeah, but they're so good, I mean, and funny enough. And again, this is so opposite. I have two parts of me. Here's me doing a high-end commercial. I need an Alexa Mini LF two of those and I need an artist signature set right.

Sean Philippe: 1:01:23

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:24

And then the other, now the indie, the corporate movie.

Sean Philippe: 1:01:30

I'm like look G Master throw an hbm filter, you're right 95 we're good.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:34

So yeah, we're good so it's kind of like that, you know you gotta do what you gotta do with the budget, the client has.

Sean Philippe: 1:01:39

I mean so like I have. I got one g master lens, I got the 16 to 35 and then everything else is sigma. I think it's all sigma, your sigma 70 to 200. But I feel like the, the sigmas are catching up.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:51

They're like just bought and then everything else is Sigma. I think it's all Sigma.

Sean Philippe: 1:01:53

Yeah, Sigma is $7,200. I feel like the Sigmas are catching up.

Vipul Bindra: 1:01:55

I just bought my first Sigma you bought a Sigma Was it $7,200? $24,000 to $7,000. I need a second one, and for a B, for a.

Speaker 3: 1:02:00

C or no, not even B B camera.

Vipul Bindra: 1:02:03

B camera. Yeah. So what happened is? I think the GM lenses are great Again. Not a big fan of Sony, but for what they are, they're amazing. Yeah it does the job. Yes, and I like compared to. Like I said, I still think, optically, canon lenses were better. The new, you know, rf series. However, the Sonys are lighter, so they're better.

Vipul Bindra: 1:02:21

You know, as in like you know less, you know fatigue on you on long shoot days, but anyway. So I own pretty much the whole lineup of the gm, whatever the latest versions is. But I needed a second uh 24 to 70, and then you know that 2600 bucks even me I'm like. Do I especially? I'm never gonna operate that, I'm gonna give it to someone and I'm like to operate most times. So I went with the sigma.

Sean Philippe: 1:02:44

So my first is that one like 1200 or?

Vipul Bindra: 1:02:47

something? Yes, it was, and it was on sale too.

Sean Philippe: 1:02:49

Come on.

Vipul Bindra: 1:02:50

Less than even half what?

Sean Philippe: 1:02:51

do you think about it? I haven't gotten it yet, but I would love to Not bad.

Vipul Bindra: 1:02:56

I'll tell you when. But again, I don't know if I'll ever operate it. Because the truth is it's pretty good for what we need again.

Sean Philippe: 1:03:08

Most likely we'll be throwing an FX3 gimbal.

Vipul Bindra: 1:03:10

You know what I mean. Like get it just done.

Sean Philippe: 1:03:12

You know, yeah, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:03:14

And I think Sigma's good enough for that.

Sean Philippe: 1:03:16

But it just feels blasphemy. It's going to be like all GM and then one Sigma. Sigma's like ugh.

Vipul Bindra: 1:03:25

Hey again. No, no, man, I don't want to sound like snobbish, you know.

Sean Philippe: 1:03:29

I mean, it's okay, go ahead, talk your stuff.

Vipul Bindra: 1:03:31

No no, so you got sick months. My feelings hurt. I'm sad, I'm gonna throw all my lessons in the trash like well, I got.

Sean Philippe: 1:03:39

So, like the new 70 to 200, I want you know the YouTube videos. You can only take it at face value, but, like um, a lot of the videos are like this is pretty much as good as the g master 70 to 200. I mean, probably they were like it's like it's more the integration.

Vipul Bindra: 1:03:54

See what? What I like? Why, again, I chose when I? When I did that was because they're native lenses, right, and they had that focus, breathing, conversation. What I found very quickly was that's not common in my past experience again with the rf lenses, but um in the sony world, the focus breathing, the focus breathing is just it's crazy too much yeah and but, but again, the camera compensates for it, as long as you have a gm lens.

Vipul Bindra: 1:04:19

They're smart about it. I think they're purposefully at it, just so, just so. Here comes so many fanboys in me, but I don't know. Now you're right, I think I'm pretty sure that engineers could make make a better lens but either way I don't care because it compensates at the end of the day.

Vipul Bindra: 1:04:32

We just want don't want focused breathing right. And that's literally the, I think, the only advantage of sony lenses that you can get those automatic corrections in camera um for any kind of distortion, and whatever the the corrections that they build, in that the a third-party company like Sigma can do, but I don't think optically. They're that much better.

Sean Philippe: 1:04:51

Yeah, it's not that they can't be, I mean funny enough.

Vipul Bindra: 1:04:53

So typically, again, I'm not for watching YouTubers because you know they're not actually out in the field and working. But I think Gerald Undone did this really awesome video comparing an Arri Signature Prime 35mm with the Sony One 4 4gm 35. Yeah, and it's crazy comparison, but when you look at them side by side, you go that's so freaking close, yeah, I mean. But again, I would personally, as somebody who uses both lenses and loves them both, you know, yeah, yeah there's difference, but then, but is it?

Sean Philippe: 1:05:25

is it that?

Vipul Bindra: 1:05:25

much? Is it 30, 30 grand, no, 35 grand, whatever the difference is Worth that much? Probably not, probably not. But the truth is, when you're, I think the only thing that matters is if you're doing a project where the client's budget is 50 grand for the shoot day, you're doing them disservice by using the cheaper lens.

Vipul Bindra: 1:05:45

Because the truth is and I'm sure you'll never get rehired, yeah, by using the cheaper lens because the truth is and I'm sure you'll never get rehired because the rental difference in the both because I cannot charge them full price that oh, I own the 35 millimeter switch there's a rental cost.

Sean Philippe: 1:05:57

It's not that huge of a difference on that big budget. I'm saying there is this difference but it's not that huge. Yeah, on a 50,000 budget. Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:04

Exactly, and then I'm not going to do that. I'm going to use the best. I'm going to get them what I'm used to and that's pretty much nowadays the industry standard. They're going to be happy, I'm going to be happy.

Sean Philippe: 1:06:13

Right.

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:13

Life goes on, why? Just you know yeah why, not, and I find those are the people that don't get rehired, because then you start to cheap out. The gear is very expensive on a small set, but as the sets go, bigger gear is literally like a very small portion of your expense.

Sean Philippe: 1:06:32

Yeah, it's the people, right?

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:33

yeah, exactly so I'm like I'm one of the. If I'm spending so much on getting the good people there, I want them to have the right stuff, otherwise what's the point? What's? The purpose exactly so, uh, but yes, on on a small when I'm doing talking heads.

Sean Philippe: 1:06:45

Yes, yeah, it's not that much. Yeah, especially, like you said earlier, like the client's not going to be, like is that Sigma?

Speaker 3: 1:06:52

Yeah, they just see a lens?

Vipul Bindra: 1:06:53

No, they wouldn't even know. You know what I mean. You put a matte box on it, man, it's as good as it gets.

Sean Philippe: 1:06:57

Yeah, I can write Sony on the side, oh, the quality of footage, or anything like that. So I'm just like like, yeah, you guys out there, just you use what you have, you know, use what you have.

Vipul Bindra: 1:07:11

Here's what I'm gonna say get the lighting best purchase buy a matte box get the sound silly, but you want a matte box, but to be real, it's functional as somebody, so my favorite choice is again. I've already said, I'm revealing it you want to make fx6 look good yeah put a the lowest one, which is like an eighth, I think power hollywood black magic filter. There you go, very expensive but worth it. But you buy and always buy them.

Vipul Bindra: 1:07:33

Don't buy filters in four by four, circular, weird portion you buy the once and you cry once right by the five, by, you know, 4.56. Whatever the, the bigger form and the regular format is because they'll always last. Right, you're a hollywood dp, you're a local but you use the same filter, right so so there, it's about four, five hundred, but I think that's worth it, because you throw that filter, obviously the lowest setting. You're not doing music videos here, right you? Don't want it to be too strong, but that just creates this beautiful image.

Sean Philippe: 1:08:03

Man, I haven't played with that one yet. Oh, I got like four.

Vipul Bindra: 1:08:06

That's like my secret sauce man you want to this is basically this is what I do, so it's normal talking head just straight up gm lenses right and obviously, like I told you my formula, at the high end, but somewhere in the middle where there's like oh, my budget is 10 grand, 15 grand, we don't have enough budget because I would rather have more people and more talented people in my set right then some equipment that we don't need.

Vipul Bindra: 1:08:28

For sure they're not expecting. You know, alexa's there. I would rather spend my budget on, like I said, people, so what I end up doing is that I will throw hbms on it. Man, the footage comes out so creamy, yeah, and it looks so beautiful, and so the matte box is functional. What I'm saying?

Sean Philippe: 1:08:44

because that's where it goes. The filter goes right in the matte box, so it is functional.

Vipul Bindra: 1:08:49

But regardless, in the corporate world that we are in, if your camera doesn't have a mad box versus your camera is a mad box, you're gonna make more money.

Sean Philippe: 1:08:57

That's the truth because client doesn't know what it does. I hate it. Yeah, it's so nasty, I mean it's functional like I think people should focus more on filtration.

Vipul Bindra: 1:09:04

I think that has gone away a lot it has um and again and again. I'm not that old school, but I feel like a few years ago it mattered Like DPs would have a filter collection. They wouldn't be like oh, I got to use Radiant Soft or whatever, because this person's African-American or whatever, or this person's Asian, whatever. This filter will make them look slightly better. Whatever People had that Nowadays it's not really the case.

Sean Philippe: 1:09:26

I think everything's clinical, which?

Vipul Bindra: 1:09:28

was my issue with Sigma. It's like it's so good that it's too good. You know what I mean. Do we want some character, some look to it Anyway, and I think that HBM does that. It's not takes the slight edge off it's not like um, like the other one people use um what is the it's called black pro mister I think that's too much, even at the lowest setting. Yeah because you want it to take the edge off, make the footage creamy. You don't want it to like, start getting like what music?

Vipul Bindra: 1:09:55

video. Is that right? Yeah, so yeah and plus, I think again, the fx6 highlight response is terrible anyway, so I don't want you know more halation and highlights, right? Um, so anyway, but that's my secret sauce and I would highly recommend anyone who to buy that filter once you get to that middle stage. Yeah, I don't think you should be putting that on the low clients because again they're gonna, not they're expecting sharp footage yeah yeah, you don't want to give them creamy footage they're not expecting that right, uh, but yeah, the mid-level clients who are expecting better footage that's what

Speaker 3: 1:10:25

that is that yeah?

Vipul Bindra: 1:10:26

that image and once you buy it, like I said, it's not like they're going to invent yeah you know the filter changes.

Sean Philippe: 1:10:32

It's like a better investment, in my opinion, than cameras when, when you're using a filter like that, are you because, let's say, you have like three cameras are you putting out all your cameras? Or is it like, oh yeah, if you wanted to match, this is what I'm saying.

Vipul Bindra: 1:10:43

I don't have to get four of them because, uh, and then I love the mirage madbox.

Vipul Bindra: 1:10:48

Those are tiny, so for gimbal cams yeah they're really tiny and uh so I'll throw that, okay, yeah, and it'll work with my nd filter that goes in it, so so we can do two, four six stop because I don't like the variable and yeah, they're never good, so we can do hard stop like IRNDs, and so we get best quality image, even from the gimbal camera, and it doesn't add too much weight, because I don't want the operator to get tired. Yeah, for sure, for sure Look when I'm paying you for four hours, I expect you to work for four hours, but it's on me to make sure the person doesn't get tired.

Sean Philippe: 1:11:18

Make it easy.

Vipul Bindra: 1:11:20

Yeah, exactly, but obviously it's not going to have the impact for the client, but who cares? I mean, at that point you need to be functional. So I like the Mirage matte boxes for the gimbal camera for the FX3.

Sean Philippe: 1:11:31

Yeah. And then I'll put whatever bigger I have a bunch of them on the FX6 and then throw.

Vipul Bindra: 1:11:37

HBM on it and then remove it. That's the only thing I'm really changing Most of them. I stay on my format. My focal lengths of choice are 50, which is what this is, yeah, my a cam, and then 85 would be my b cam. Uh, it used to be on c70s, used to be 35 and 85, yeah, but I find with the, the full frame, or rather the larger format, uh, 35 was just too wide.

Sean Philippe: 1:12:00

It was too wide, so 50 and 85, I think, is good, and I love the 85, man.

Speaker 3: 1:12:06

The 85?.

Sean Philippe: 1:12:07

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:12:08

The 85 is.

Vipul Bindra: 1:12:09

So that's like my favorite, I think, focal length. Yeah, I don't think I would ever change it, man. And, like I said, you throw a third camera if you have an operator, you do. Handheld man, you got the best talking head.

Sean Philippe: 1:12:21

You're good. That's all you need.

Vipul Bindra: 1:12:23

That's all you need.

Sean Philippe: 1:12:24

So like, if you don't mind me asking with your clients who you're doing these like talking head videos for, are you like selling them on this idea? Or are they coming to you like hey, benja, we need a talking head video, oh no no, they don't even know what talking head means. No, really.

Vipul Bindra: 1:12:38

So it depends. So I market to agencies like you want to market to, they know it. They usually will say I need two operators or whatever. Sometimes they'll say we need Sony or they'll say they don't care. Very rarely I've ever heard Canon like once, maybe in five years.

Vipul Bindra: 1:12:52

Where they're like we want 300 or whatever. Very rare is what I'm saying. So either they don't care or they want Sony, and then we just follow with what the plan is. But a lot of times when I'm working directly with clients, they have no idea, right? They just say we want to make a video about this, and then you find out they don't even mean that, because they don't understand our lingo.

Vipul Bindra: 1:13:12

So you have to kind of ask the questions Okay, awesome, where are you going to share it? Who's the audience you can share with? Do you have a video that you've seen similar that you like? Right, because then what happens is you find out what they actually want and then you can obviously make it for them. But then I'm making the decision now, obviously I am not the what's the low-end car?

Sean Philippe: 1:13:32

I'm trying to make an analogy here. I don't know, it's subishi mirage. Is that a cheap car? Okay, so I'm not at the mystery five thousand dollars. Okay, so I'm there's a $5,000 car still Anyway, so.

Vipul Bindra: 1:13:44

so if I give them FX6, I just take the car.

Sean Philippe: 1:13:46

Yeah, basically so no but in that case?

Vipul Bindra: 1:13:52

but anyway, I'm not trying to be the cheap option, but I'm not trying to be the expensive option either.

Vipul Bindra: 1:13:57

Right, I want to give my clients value. That's what I'm there for. So I'm trying to give them my for um, so I'm trying to give them. My goal is to maximize their budget. I figure out what they need, what quality level they are at right like small, medium, high, whatever and then I just go from that right, right and but I don't discuss that with the client. That that is not the discussion you want to have. We want to talk about impact roi the audience you know what?

Vipul Bindra: 1:14:19

the what the goal is, what the look needs to be. Those are the questions. The gear is on me, but at this point it's so dialed in my gear that I kind of know. But to be real, we're always still at the same time evolving. You don't want to get stagnant. The worst thing you can do in video production is go. Oh, I got to figure out. That's how you become a dinosaur right.

Vipul Bindra: 1:14:40

Because things are changing. Like just this past year we added reflective lighting. Because I kept sewing on all my higher-end gigs, all these gaffers I would buy would have CRLS panels. And then at first I was like I don't see the but then they would put it and I was like, oh, a light there would be nice. And they're like, oh, I could just throw a panel and it'd be perfect, and so much easier to throw a tiny little panel than a huge light a tiny little panel, then you know, yeah, like, so I started to see advantage.

Vipul Bindra: 1:15:06

I was like I need this, I need this on my set, right. So I bought a, bought a kit. The point is I'm saying we have to evolve like that, as in new, things are always coming, things are changing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:15:13

The new 1200x, from aperture, looks freaking incredible right so things like that I'm saying at the 1200d came out a couple years ago. I bought. I have literally every aperture light, yeah, multiples of every aperture and I didn't buy it because it didn't. I didn't see the use of it. I was like I'd rather use an m18 than if I need that much out that much output it didn't fit at least. And then the reflector dishes would, uh were terrible without the 1200x.

Sean Philippe: 1:15:36

I'm like this is it. This is what I need so kind of like that.

Vipul Bindra: 1:15:40

You know, the industry moves so fast sometimes it's even harder to keep up with it, and I am obsessed with it. So you know, I try to keep up with it, yeah. But the point is, yeah, you have to be ever evolving. But at this point I have, for most, talking heads and, like I said, I have formulas right now that may change.

Sean Philippe: 1:15:57

Even new cameras come out or something comes out. It seems like the industry, like it is constantly. It wants you to be faster and it wants you to do more things you know, I'm saying kind of like we're saying earlier with like the audio, like your camera operator has to at least know how to connect the boom mic to his camera and manage the audio levels exactly because sometimes that might be what you have to do. We can't. We can't get an audio guy, but you know but the truth is.

Vipul Bindra: 1:16:21

Here's the thing, man yes, that's what's a requirement and that's what you got to do, or you're not going to work. But the end of it is, you are far more effective when you can focus, right, right. So Sean the guy totally focused on camera. Yeah, is better than Sean focused on camera and sound Right, 100%, and that's just it's anyone who says no, I'm best they're lying, yeah they're lying and it's not like, can Sean do great audio? Absolutely yeah, but you are dividing your focus right.

Sean Philippe: 1:16:54

You have to make sure the image looks good, right, but you have to make sure the audio is good, make sure everything's in focus.

Vipul Bindra: 1:17:00

So what happens? I feel like Internet is full of it. The accessibility has gone up but the quality has gone down. And that's what I tell my clients my video. People shouldn't even know we're making a video. I don't want to do Flashy transitions and flashy animations Because I want our videos to last, unless they're social media content. But the point is, I want to make content that's not going to look jaded because we used a transition that was cool.

Vipul Bindra: 1:17:28

Now yeah, but in three months, because you know it's moving so fast, um and and so you want to make evergreen content. But that's what I'm saying. Like so much trash content is out there if you just make good content yeah that tells people the right thing, like, for example you know you're. You're a freaking chiropractor that explains hey here's the services that we offer. Here's why you use services right. Here's what this service is best for.

Vipul Bindra: 1:17:52

This content is going to be evergreen right right and it's going to consistently, consistently make money, because if somebody asks this question, they're like, hey, this is the answer. Plus, here's a video, right, right, and now you're constantly selling, because they'll go say share it with their friend, or yeah, or they may have that resource. You become, you know, uh, like a micro influencer in a way, but I think that's why video is effective. That cannot be when you're making videos that are for today, like they're. They've all these fancy animations and stuff, or or effects only last.

Vipul Bindra: 1:18:23

That, yeah that lasts today, like, yeah, nobody's watching, they've scrolled it, they're done, they're like I'm not watching that again. Yeah, that makes sense yeah, which is fine, but then you cannot charge clients a premium, you cannot make a premium product, that's when you pull out your phone, you freaking swipe, swipe and then you give it to them, and that's not what I want to make.

Vipul Bindra: 1:18:39

I mean hats off to other people. I still think phone and tiktok content is important. Yeah, and there'll be creators out there. My clients need it. I'll bring one of these young people. I'll happily, you know, bring them in uh, tell them what we want, get that made. But I am not making that right. Yeah, I want to make content that makes them money, right, and a and a tiktok video would have to be hundreds of tiktok videos to make the same kind of roi.

Vipul Bindra: 1:19:02

That I usually make for my client with one video, because you just have to figure out what the problem is right, and, and once you do, you're like how can video solve it? And sometimes it can't, then you have to be upfront about it too. You don't, and, and that's what I'm saying. Uh, that comes from not having that starving mindset, because if you like if I can't get this gig, I'll I lose. You know my. I don't know my mortgage or whatever I've been there yeah. And you don't want to.

Sean Philippe: 1:19:28

I mean it's okay, it's a human thing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:19:30

But if you're when you're there, fine. You give client bad advice, that's how you don't get repeat clients.

Speaker 3: 1:19:34

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:19:34

Because the truth is then you'll go oh no, no, let's make this. I'm going to be honest yeah, I don't care how much I want that money or how much I want to make that video. If the video is not the right solution, I'll tell you like hey, this video isn't going to solve the problem.

Sean Philippe: 1:19:50

I think they appreciate that. Yeah, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:19:52

And then it'll come back. It's not like they don't need video. Every business needs video. Right, and it may not be today, but I'd rather them be like hey, honest and you know, he just made me a video that didn't solve my problem yeah, yeah because a lot of times they're not even describing it right.

Vipul Bindra: 1:20:06

I've had so many times they're like, oh, we're doing this event, we want a recap video. Yeah, and I'm like, okay, cool, we can make a recap video. What's the purpose of it? Oh, we're going to use it to get new clients or we're going to use it to recruit new uh, new doctors in our hospital, whatever. I'm like that's not gonna get get it done. I mean, we can make you a recap video which is good to share, but there's no roi in that right. The roi is gonna be making a dedicated recruitment video, because we cannot focus right on that. Showing this event isn't gonna make somebody want to come work for you, for sure so but?

Vipul Bindra: 1:20:37

but they don't know that right. I like that philosophy but I don't think that's just easy, you know, because then you don't have to lie yeah yeah, now I know I can sometimes come across this over because I'm so passionate about it. I'm like yeah, because once I've signed the solution right. You're talking like this, is it we? Said this is it, but they may not get it yet because they're not there yet.

Vipul Bindra: 1:20:55

So then you have to slow down, you have to be like okay, this is what the problem is, right, this is how this is going to solve it and that's that's okay, that's part of our job. I wish I didn't have to do it, because I'm just a filmmaker, but that is what I have to do exactly, and um, but but I love it though. Man, the the best thing is, then they come back and they'll message you like dude, you're so right, you know we love it, or that's the best thing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:21:20

or that they start tearing up, or whatever man, that at the end they make money. Their life is changing. They're getting happier and I'm getting happier. My family can eat. Have a good time, that's all that matters, I think. Doing business from. I know it sounds crazy that I have to say this, but being nice is easier than being sleazy, in my opinion. 100%. Now can you make money being sleazy? Absolutely.

Sean Philippe: 1:21:46

Oh yeah, people do.

Vipul Bindra: 1:21:47

But why do it when you can make it speak nice, you know?

Sean Philippe: 1:21:50

Yeah, I think a lot of times with my clients like I'd prefer to make a good product, something that makes them happy, but like make less money than to make a lot of money and feel sleazy.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:01

Yeah, you know, and feel sleazy. I'm just like I'd just rather not take the job. Yeah, but you have to be careful too, because sometimes I'll advertise like oh, we made our clients $500 million or whatever, but I don't want them to think that I'm selling.

Sean Philippe: 1:22:11

I'm not a marketing agency.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:14

I'm not trying to sell you.

Sean Philippe: 1:22:16

KPIs or whatever? What are you going to do with the video when you get it?

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:19

I don't know. I mean, I'll happily tell you this part of like hey, what to do with it, where to post it, but what I'm saying is I'm not guaranteeing anything. I'm not guaranteeing no.

Sean Philippe: 1:22:27

ROI.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:28

I'm just telling you what my past clients have experienced.

Sean Philippe: 1:22:30

It's what I've done, you know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:32

I'm sure some marketing agency will be happy to you know, put it in writing like, hey, this video will give you this KPI, but then they're going to charge you, I don't know, let's say 20 grand, and then they'll pay somebody 500 to make that video the video will never be as good, because half of that is just insurance that in case this doesn't work, they can return your money.

Vipul Bindra: 1:22:50

Yeah, I'm saying that's if you insisted on it, right? So I tell them like hey, nothing, here's what I guarantee somebody. Can you know? I'm gonna make most beautiful video and best video for that price point. Nobody in the country can beat me. I'm going to bring out more equipment, better people at that price point right you know you can't compare my 5 000 video to somebody's 30 000. That's all I can guarantee and I'm going to put my heart and soul into it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:23:17

I don't care if you're my lowest paid client as long, as you know, you match the budget of the video. We're going to do our best. We we're good and, in my opinion, this is the results that show that it works. That's what we've done for these past clients, right, and they self-report it and a lot of them don't take it. So the way I get this reporting is, a year after I work with someone, I'll usually send them a survey, right that says, hey, this is only with direct clients, we don't even do this with marketing clients. Yeah, so it's a lot bigger number.

Vipul Bindra: 1:23:46

And I'll say, hey, what? And the survey is just two, three questions, nothing complicated. It's like, hey, did you make money from it? Yes, no, were you happy? Yeah, and what would you say the return was? You know rough number. We don't need the exact number. These are self make. Half a billion dollars from the videos that I've made in the last six, seven years that's absurd to think about, but that's the kind of power video has. Yeah, and and I'm saying this are not total numbers, because a lot of times you can't, you know, uh, capture that right, because you can't capture, I don't know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:19

Q a what the roi is sometimes directly. I'm saying they may not put that number in, so at the end their videos work right. I genuinely believe in that. And then they scientifically work. There's been hundreds of studies done in it. So I don't like selling video. This one thing I'm like video works if you don't know video then you need to spend some time on the internet.

Vipul Bindra: 1:24:39

The question is making the right video? Yeah, right, that's what I can come help and other people that I know can help. But you know, should you need video, then we're way lower at the base level where you, as a business owner, need to educate yourself. Because if you don't even believe in video, then I don't want to be the the guy that comes in and takes their money because, guess what, they're going to be disappointed because they don't understand how it's going to work.

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:06

I've had that happen a few times in the past where somebody's got a video and I'll even tell them. I'm like, okay, put this on this website this corner and this is what you do with it. Then they don't do it. So I'll check with them, Like you said. Okay, but did you also share, like I said, with a new client at this stage, like in a text message, like something nonchalant, and they're like, oh no, no, we haven't integrated into our workflow.

Sean Philippe: 1:25:31

Well, then it isn't going to work, you have to.

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:33

Obviously they have to do some homework, and that's where marketing agencies could be very helpful. But problem is marketing agencies in my opinion are great. Obviously, we make a lot of money from it, but they're sleazy. Dude.

Sean Philippe: 1:25:46

Yeah, I don't get it man, I don't get it Because instead you know what they'll do.

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:50

I've had this happen. I am saying go to your marketing agency.

Sean Philippe: 1:25:54

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:25:54

Right, let us partner with them. And the marketer will be like, oh, how much are you paying for that video? You mean that? 25 grand and then what happens is it's not like they're gonna make the same video they're gonna just keep most of that. Yeah, hire some cheap videographer or have their in-house guy who doesn't know anything, those 500 is even remotely close. Dude, they're making trash. Yeah, I've edited videos for marketing agents. I'm telling you I could close my eyes and that's saying something.

Vipul Bindra: 1:26:22

Yeah, and shoot better content than they did professionally it's that bad where I'm just like how can you be that bad? I mean, you have to make an effort yeah, yeah, to want to be bad, yeah exactly to do that bad. How little are you doing your?

Sean Philippe: 1:26:35

like employees. Last year I worked with a few marketing agencies and I'll go on like their website, look at their stuff. I'm like this is bad, yeah, you know, but they're not video people. But I'm like, how do the clients like? But then I hear the prices. I'm like, oh, y'all making crazy money for these videos, like you said, 20 grand, 30 grand, 40 grand. I'm like how are you guys getting away with this stuff, exactly?

Speaker 3: 1:27:01

And now, obviously, when we're doing it still needs to have some level of especially match their brand right Like the level that their brand is at.

Vipul Bindra: 1:27:08

If they look like it's a trash, then people are going to perceive the brand as trash. So, you're actually hurting the client's brand by having those trashy videos out.

Speaker 3: 1:27:18

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:27:18

You know, unless you're making it look like UCG. But even then, know, I don't know, that shouldn't go on website, then I don't, I don't know. Man, I think marketing agencies could be such assets with us and the clients but, they usually end up being a hindrance because all they want to do is take the chunk out of the video without understanding how video works right. I've had feedback given by marketing agencies. It's so funny.

Vipul Bindra: 1:27:43

I could go on a whole rant about that, but you know but you know how, uh, it's like uh, you're, you're doing better filmmaking, so you'll add a foreground element and a background element, and I've had feedback where they're like uh, there's something in the foreground. Next time, make sure there's nothing, you know, no plant or whatever in the front. I'm like that is video production. We did that on purpose.

Speaker 3: 1:28:02

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:28:03

But they have no knowledge of it.

Sean Philippe: 1:28:05

Yeah, yeah, I always wonder. The only time I've worked with marketing agencies where I'm like, oh, you're doing a good job is where they are in a part of the company you know. So like well, they're not an agency but like a marketing department. Usually they're better off than marketing agencies. I've noticed. For, like, the big companies I work for, like okay, I'm working with your marketing department. Yeah, they're going to be pretty good because you know they're savvy with the brand, they understand the level of the brand.

Vipul Bindra: 1:28:31

Yeah, it's this third party marketing agencies that just want to take a cut on everything, yeah, which there's nothing wrong with taking that, of course, yeah, sure. But the issue comes is when they want to just, um, you know, take so much cut that there's nothing left, and then they can just hire somebody really, really low end, who's very green, who can't just deliver.

Sean Philippe: 1:28:54

I guess it makes sense because they're the first people to touch the money. So it's like okay, we're first touch money, we're going to take this much.

Vipul Bindra: 1:28:59

Yeah.

Sean Philippe: 1:29:00

And you can have $100.

Vipul Bindra: 1:29:04

Oh, we're being generous, yeah, man maybe 50. I don't know you bringing an FX6?

Sean Philippe: 1:29:10

Also you got to buy your own lunch. Yeah, yeah, we're not buying you food, nothing like that. And you're going to bring five cameras right.

Vipul Bindra: 1:29:16

Yeah, five cameras lighting. Everything's covered.

Sean Philippe: 1:29:18

Audio guy, two camera operators. Okay, yeah we're good, we're good.

Speaker 3: 1:29:23

Yeah, it's tough man.

Sean Philippe: 1:29:24

That's not an industry I would want to. When I first started my business, I was kind of trying to do both, like it makes sense, they go together so well. Like, okay, I'm doing video, but I also should know social media and marketing and all this stuff.

Vipul Bindra: 1:29:44

So I was trying to do both, but that that's like. As you're seeing, once you grow, you can bring in people who are not who are not like yeah like I'm terrible at social media, right, which is why I need to, this year, bring somebody who can do my social media because that's why we don't post anything. You're on my instagram. It's like oh, what is viplam up to? Nothing, yeah, even though I'm working literally every day so I don't have time to go on Instagram because.

Vipul Bindra: 1:30:02

I don't care. Most of my clients are not finding me on Instagram you know, their, their referrals, so, but at the same time, that doesn't mean we shouldn't post on social media, it's just.

Vipul Bindra: 1:30:12

I'm not good at it or I'm very busy to do it, then the solution is you bring in somebody who is good at it or who can do that Right. So I think, like you you said you pick your lane right, you pick video. This is what you're gonna do and as a founder, as the is the first person in the business, and then eventually, once you get enough revenue, you start to bring in people, I think, who can help complement you things that you're not good at right, like we were earlier talking about, like cpa, you're not gonna sit here and learn accounting and taxes and all that. Like you have, you need to have people, but that's what that is right, right you? You start to use these funds, um, and and that, like you have, you need to have people, but that's what that is right, right you, you start to use this funds and and that makes you grow even more because now you're not things that you were not good at right that other people will fulfill that and make you better.

Sean Philippe: 1:30:54

Right yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:30:56

I think it's important to to surround yourself with people who have different skill sets than you, than the same thing.

Sean Philippe: 1:31:02

I don't need, yeah, different skill sets than you, than the same thing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:06

I don't need you can't be a master of everything. Exactly, yeah, and and that's just just how it is. And you want to get it done right too, if you?

Sean Philippe: 1:31:10

go. If you're gonna be putting your hands in some like like cpa, especially like if you have. If you don't, if you're doing your own taxes and you mess it up, the irs will kill you. They will literally, they will literally assassinate everyone you know. So it's like you might as well get the cpa, so they can, sir?

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:25

if irs is listening to this, you're in trouble they're coming they're like are you calling us?

Sean Philippe: 1:31:30

yeah, look, man, I don't trust that for me. I'm trying my best not to pay the irs any money, as little as possible, because I like this morning I was looking at the um, do you, do you payroll yourself? No, not yet, not yet. So, like, when you're an escort, you have to payroll yourself. No, not yet, not yet. So, like when you're an escort, you have to payroll yourself right. So I put myself on payroll this week and I'm like looking and I'm like okay, it automatically takes out tax when I send the money from me and then also when I get the money as tax, and then at the end of the year I got to pay another.

Vipul Bindra: 1:31:58

I'm like what is going on, See, which is all my money in business investments, yeah, so, so we don't have to worry about it anyway anyway, we're not gonna go there, uh but you know what I mean.

Sean Philippe: 1:32:11

Like yeah, for sure that's what I'm saying.

Vipul Bindra: 1:32:12

Talk to an accountant, talk to cpa, they'll figure out your strategies. Yeah, and find the the best thing for you, and that's just again. With anything, I'm just saying do what you're best at yeah, be the best at it, and then let other people help you with things you're not good at or you're still learning, or whatever, and it's just collaborating man, it's just talking to people who are doing whatever you need. That's just the way to succeed and I'm telling you, that's just the everyone I talk to who's not successful. That's the thread.

Sean Philippe: 1:32:48

They're like they're trying to do either everything themselves, or they're just too like.

Vipul Bindra: 1:32:50

I don't want to spend this money. It's like, no, you have to invest it, exactly so invest in yourself, in your own company, and it's a tax write-off. Yeah, plus you.

Speaker 3: 1:32:53

That's how you get time to do what you're good at yeah yeah, if you're good at making videos, you should be making videos yeah yeah, not sitting at home doing whatever else you got to do, or writing emails or whatever.

Sean Philippe: 1:33:04

Right now, my thing I'm trying to invest in is an editor and I went through probably 30 editors interviews and talked to them. I'm like, bro, every editor's bad.

Vipul Bindra: 1:33:16

Don't get me started.

Sean Philippe: 1:33:17

That's my mind. It's crazy right.

Vipul Bindra: 1:33:20

I don't know what's about it, but they just can't seem to get it. I don't get it, yeah.

Sean Philippe: 1:33:24

And I'm like I don't want to edit. You know cause, like I don't want to do too much, I'm trying to. I got to come home, edit, try to find clients and film. It's too much, but it's like they all suck.

Vipul Bindra: 1:33:33

But once they, once myself, because I'm telling you that the problem is vision, like julie, who's my lead editor. Man, you got up, you gotta understand. I I don't have time to come here and babysit I'm gonna tell you hey, I need a sick ass recap video. Here's the footage yeah and right.

Vipul Bindra: 1:33:55

a good editor somehow just makes it. That's it like you see it. I love it when, for example, like I have julie editing it and it's like first time I come, I'm okay, it's almost there, maybe a few little tweaks, but there I don't have to do any direction, nothing, it just matches what I want to create.

Vipul Bindra: 1:34:13

But then you hire a bunch of other editors who are like they make something completely different. It's like this is not even recapping the event. You're showing the ending, the beginning, and I'm just like that's obviously one way, but like they screw up. And then the worst ones are where you tell them that's okay, you know, you have to align your vision, so you have to do a few projects before they get you for sure. But when you tell them exactly, you're like, hey, this scene needs to come before this scene needs to come before and then they go nah, your vision isn't good.

Sean Philippe: 1:34:41

I'm going to do this.

Vipul Bindra: 1:34:43

No, I'm paying you.

Sean Philippe: 1:34:44

It's my video. Do what I say, it's not your video.

Vipul Bindra: 1:34:48

Sure, you may be a great editor. Then do your own videos how you want to.

Speaker 3: 1:34:52

Here I'm paying you to edit the way I want to Like this yeah exactly, and if you didn't get it, that's fine, you can work on it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:34:58

But then if you're refusing to to fix what I want fixed, and how I want it fixed, then please no, thank you.

Sean Philippe: 1:35:04

Yeah, and I definitely realize with some of these editors I work with you kind of got to film how you want them to edit. You know what I'm saying, because sometimes with me I'll have the footage isn't the best, but you can get creative and make it happen With an editor that you don't trust.

Vipul Bindra: 1:35:19

Like that you gotta like I organize it perfectly for them and so I'm saying that's extra work, it's more work, which is why you gotta find I basically might as well. Edit it exactly, ah, julie hey, don't don't be poaching my editors. Hey, bender production will take your edit job. Okay, I'll take that. Yeah, you can go through me. I gotta take my cut. You know everybody needs a cut exactly that's how it works.

Sean Philippe: 1:35:44

I did find one good editor, but she, she's like she charges so much and I was like yeah, that's what I'm saying? Good ones and they know they're good. They know they're good. She was saying like, yes, at least $1,500 for any project. I'm like, ah, the budgets don't be that much, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:35:59

I.

Sean Philippe: 1:35:59

Yeah, like I'm like for one of the Trackman videos. See, that's what you got to do. Then you got to increase the exposure.

Vipul Bindra: 1:36:05

Man, I don't edit no more, and that was the best thing that freed up my time. I actually love editing. One thing is I don't know it puts me in that zen mode. It's the only thing that calms me is somebody you know who's again like I'm just going.

Vipul Bindra: 1:36:19

However as soon as I stopped editing is when I started to make money. That's the best thing I did six, seven years ago and I'm never doing that again. Yeah, Because, as I said, the time suck. That editing is yeah If you want to make money, unless you just want to be an editor.

Sean Philippe: 1:36:34

That's one thing For sure, be an editor, make money Go ahead.

Vipul Bindra: 1:36:37

But if you want to make money, you cannot edit, because that is the biggest time suck and especially if you're a perfectionist, you could spend hours just perfecting something. It's just not worth it. Let the people who actually want to be editors edit. I'm telling you, and find the good editors and then keep them, pay them what they want to get paid, charge your clients, because these clients will love it too.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:00

Because once they see an awesome edit man, they'll pay it. I'm telling you when the too, because once they see an awesome edit man, they'll pay it. I'm telling you, when the clients tell me it's the best video I've ever seen of me or my company or my brand or whatever, that's what you want to hear, and they'll keep coming back right. So, um, the first time may be a little harder, but once they get hooked on that good edit man, they'll pay for that yeah, and I'm telling you, those are the hardest ones to find camera lighting lighting.

Speaker 3: 1:37:23

You know all that.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:24

Yeah, we get it, there's so many people because they want to do it.

Sean Philippe: 1:37:26

Yeah, but editors are good. There's not that many editors, dude. When I tell you I went through so many bad, I'm like you guys are, and they're working editors.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:32

They're full-time editors. I'm like, bro, you guys suck yeah. Because see it's which is very easy to learn.

Speaker 3: 1:37:41

It's a software.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:42

You take a script right. That's easier. In my opinion, those more people can do when it's like. It literally defines like here's the shot, here's the title, here's the cut, here's this. I think more editors are inclined to do that what we need in the corporate world is.

Vipul Bindra: 1:37:58

here's five interviews, here's the story we want to tell and having to figure that out from that, not everyone can do that because, now, it requires not just the skill of editing, it requires actual storytelling, right, right, because if you're now, now, yes, we could put in, like you said, the work. I could transcribe it, I could cut it, I could tell them here, piece this, this, but then the amount of work I put in I don't have time for that exactly, and then there's the technician part left, which is not that hard.

Vipul Bindra: 1:38:25

Yeah, so personally, but at the same time, I want to tell the story. I want to tell. I don't want to be telling some others, Because you know you could tell a different story from the same footage. So that's why you need to find an editor that will tell the story. That you want to tell without you having to freaking transcribe everything you know, cut everything.

Vipul Bindra: 1:38:41

Or like, do spoon, feed them and and that's taking you hours and hours that you could be out there can't be out here doing what I gotta do exactly, man, and that's why.

Sean Philippe: 1:38:49

This is why, like, I've been saying no to a lot more um, like cheaper jobs, um, just because I'm like, at the end of the day, I'm not gonna be able to hire an editor, I have the cheaper jobs. You have to edit it. It's the only way. So it's like I just say, no, I'll figure it out and that's what I'm saying.

Vipul Bindra: 1:39:04

You gotta make those cheaper jobs come up you gotta get them to a point where yeah, uh, you can charge whatever you want to charge for shooter right and you can give the editor. You may not be able to make that much money off the editor in the beginning let's say it's not like you're gonna be able to charge them 1500.

Vipul Bindra: 1:39:18

Pay the editor less a thousand yeah now, it may happen eventually, but saying in the beginning, even if that means just transferring the money minus your costs, it may be worth it because you're giving them better videos and, like I said, it's not taking any of your time, right? Obviously you need an editor where you're not giving your time, because if you're spending too much time correcting that editor, this back to square one.

Sean Philippe: 1:39:39

You might as well have edited it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:39:41

So, but yeah, I think that will help you scale your business so much because what you need to do is focus on, like you said, meeting other people, networking, creating projects, and every time you're editing every minute of it. Guess what you're not doing Working on the business, Exactly.

Sean Philippe: 1:39:58

Because editing is like and I think that's why it does put you in a trance state, because you only can do this- you can't edit and watch TV.

Vipul Bindra: 1:40:04

Yeah, you can't I mean maybe listen to music. But that would be it and I'm saying that's the most you can do.

Sean Philippe: 1:40:11

You can't be emailing, yeah, and I have to lock in on this, yeah, and that too. On a talking head you can't even listen to music because you've got to listen to them. So, yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

Vipul Bindra: 1:40:22

I don't edit, I don't want to edit. Finally, I found some good editors.

Speaker 3: 1:40:24

I'm gonna stick to them. I can't get one, no no, sir, there's no love man there's no love out here.

Sean Philippe: 1:40:30

No, there is. Bender Productions available to hire.

Speaker 3: 1:40:33

That's fair yeah, you just send me the project.

Sean Philippe: 1:40:36

I'll give you the budget and we can make it happen.

Speaker 3: 1:40:38

Say less say less, I can take some. Hey look this is a business.

Vipul Bindra: 1:40:43

I'm happy to share everything For sure, for sure, but I got to make money too.

Sean Philippe: 1:40:46

That's the game. I will take you up on that offer. This is all I do?

Vipul Bindra: 1:40:50

I don't have this is not a passion for me. This is what pays the bills, so we got to make money. But I'm happy to again, obviously Again we're not a DP, but like for but for friends I'm happy to go be a. Dp and you know they benefit from it. Why not? And plus, I get to be on cool set. Same thing with you, if I mean I get to edit your cool videos. Why? Not I mean I wouldn't mind, especially if it's a bigger project, like with the.

Sean Philippe: 1:41:15

TrackMan videos like those edits man, like it'll be like two weeks of editing, yeah, and you don't want to do it and I'm like bro. I just edited for two weeks and I couldn't edit, I couldn't even touch other clients' stuff.

Vipul Bindra: 1:41:28

We have a 14-day delivery timeline, by the way.

Sean Philippe: 1:41:30

So the day you get a restart.

Vipul Bindra: 1:41:32

You pay me. 14 days later you get the video.

Sean Philippe: 1:41:35

Obviously it needs revision.

Vipul Bindra: 1:41:39

I'm saying maximum.

Sean Philippe: 1:41:41

It could be even sooner, but that's what I advertise 14 days delivery from whenever we start obviously. So, pretty fast. I don't want to be holding for months.

Vipul Bindra: 1:41:53

Look at him selling me right now. Man Always be selling hey, I'm bad at it, see, I'm telling you the truth. My selling style is just saying the truth which is you want something edited, you pay me. 14 days later, I'll give you an edited video and I and I'm pretty sure it'll be what you expected. Obviously you have to try it, because juliet is what I want her to do may not be the videos you want to do right, but it doesn't hurt to try right yeah, and if it is what you're looking to do, then go, why not?

Vipul Bindra: 1:42:19

and then you can. And again, it's not, shouldn't be coming out of your pocket, you should be billing your clients for it, and they'll happily pay for a good editor. That's the thing, because what makes you look good? Why wouldn't you want to do it? And again, you don't have to do it, julie, if you find your weather. I'm saying a good editor, but, man, I want more editors too. I'm telling you, we have so much workload that I want more editors.

Sean Philippe: 1:42:47

It's just I, like you said, I keep trying.

Vipul Bindra: 1:42:48

What I'll do is sometimes I'll take footage and I'll give it to someone and be like hey, here's a trial run. Obviously it's not full budget, but it's like, yeah, this is. This will never be used with a client here's, here's the original video. Sometimes I'll even show them like I don't want you to make that, I want you to make something make your own, yeah, and here's a couple hundred bucks just as a bonus, like remember, this is just testing it out yeah, and very rarely and if it's, if they yeah, if they're good, though, then obviously I'll try more of it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:06

That means more work. But again, I find most editors and it's not that they're bad, it's just they get in their head, they get to their vision, and then there's their soul that's it I'm. They forget that you're working, it's just like me, like I have a vision, right I? When I talk to a client, but they'll come up with the silliest requests, right? I look a little too fat in that shot and you know, even though I love that shot, but at that some point you have to let go. It's not my video.

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:31

I'd rather change that one shot where they're not happy with what they look like, even though it's a self thing, then fight over that, that doesn't matter. Now, something that changes changes a story that's different. That's where I will actually yeah, well, not fight, but like at least argue my case that hey, I think this is what's gonna make you money if you take this out yeah, you know the story yeah, exactly, maybe we can mask it, we can maybe put, uh, some b-roll on it or something.

Sean Philippe: 1:43:55

You know what I mean?

Vipul Bindra: 1:43:56

yeah, exactly we can, we can work around them, but at the end it's their video. So you know I have to ask them it it's on my video. But that's why I like again editing Julie. I like to send the first cut already where I'm so happy, like I want to send my video first. That's why I don't do drafts anymore.

Vipul Bindra: 1:44:12

So the way I do it with my clients is I say the first one will be a draft, but we already send it all edited, all color corrected. I want them to just love it, because I want to set my vision first, because what I found in the past was when we would do that just a draft, they would pick it apart so much because you know wouldn't, because, look, it's a draft, right, and then it wouldn't be my vision and I and I was like it was like the only way I can make the money is by making the video I want to make right because, again, it's not about me, it's about them, but I have to do my job well to to you know for it to work for them.

Vipul Bindra: 1:44:44

So that's why I found, like in my like what I call draft, if it's already a final, they very rarely have edits.

Sean Philippe: 1:44:50

Yeah, and on top of that, they're going to be happier because the video is actually going to work for them another thing I've noticed too with clients is uh, the clients who pay the most don't ever really ask for revisions. It's like, oh, this is great, yeah I, I'm like what Really?

Vipul Bindra: 1:45:04

Because they're letting you be professional. Yeah, yeah yeah, I've noticed that. That's what I'm saying when you're low. See, the thing is that $10, $5, whatever your money is, it matters a lot. When you only have, let's say, 20, right. But when you have a million, five grand is drop in the bucket, right, right.

Speaker 3: 1:45:28

And what they're doing you to do is bring an expert, right?

Vipul Bindra: 1:45:30

yeah, so in my opinion, uh, when you're the expert and you act like an expert, you make them something awesome. They, they trust you. That's why they hired you, otherwise they wouldn't have hired you. Right? And but those are the best ones for us, because now we get to do what we want to do, right we'd have no edit freedom and they love the video, and their clients love the video.

Vipul Bindra: 1:45:47

Their customers love the video, and that's the win-win situation yeah so those are the clients we're all chasing, right, we're chasing clients who want to work directly with us and who want to, who want to sled, be creatively, you know, freedom yeah creative freedom. But then uh, you know uh, and then they're happy too, and we're happy. I think everyone wins at the end. Yeah, um, obviously there. You can't always be happy. There's always crazy set stories yeah, part of the game.

Vipul Bindra: 1:46:12

That's part of the game which is why I like my method, uh, you know, which is like getting referrals, because, uh, the people that who are referring me have already worked with me, so they already have set the expectations. They know, and I love that Like my best thing of what I love, and I didn't create this, I didn't go tell anyone I'm the best or whatever, because that's not my way.

Speaker 3: 1:46:32

But other people but yeah, but when?

Vipul Bindra: 1:46:35

the people introduced me. I love when I go to a networking room they're like hey, bindra, you hire bindra yeah you know, and and then it's funny is they don't mean best, like oh, which I mean we try to make it best visually for every budget but they're not saying best visually, best sound they're just saying best, best video.

Vipul Bindra: 1:46:51

Yeah, whatever that is right is going to be bindra and that just become, at least locally here, synonymous with the, with my company and I love that especially with the business circle that I'm in and that makes me so happy, because I didn't go tell people to tell that, and when other people tell them like I must be doing something right, because that's exactly what I'm trying to do, yes, we'll try to make it sound good, we'll make it light good, we'll make it video. But I'm not selling that. I'm selling you a solution and as long as we make the best solution, we are the best right, and obviously it's not like we're lacking in skill right, our equipment.

Speaker 3: 1:47:29

Clearly, I think we have more equipment than anyone else. Yeah, more than enough in that department.

Vipul Bindra: 1:47:32

Yeah, so so and that's and because, and just so you know I don't like collect equipment that just doesn't work everything oh, I've seen it that that doesn't get worked is sold or checked out.

Sean Philippe: 1:47:43

You have all functional equipment.

Vipul Bindra: 1:47:44

It is literally what gets worked over and over and again. Obviously, there's some items we're not pulling every day, but they're still working. If I'm not pulling something for six months a year, oh, it's getting sold because I'd rather rent it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:47:58

It makes no sense financially. So it's not like I want people to know. I'm not just trying to collect gear, just to collect gear. Obviously I'm not just trying to collect gear just to collect gear. Obviously I'm passionate about it. I'm a techie. But at the same time it has to work, otherwise no point, there's no purpose.

Sean Philippe: 1:48:11

Yeah exactly, we don't want to just carry weight.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:14

We already have sandbags.

Sean Philippe: 1:48:16

We already have dirt. It gets heavy. Man. I'm still driving my Corolla with 1 thousand pounds of gear in the backseat, in the trunk, though. Oh wow, yeah, yeah. I was about to buy a car last year and I was like, hmm, what were you thinking about buying? I was going to get a Tacoma, oh I know, yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:32

Welcome to the taco game Taco game. It's so sad my Tacoma is not going to work that much anymore because I'm going to have to switch to the van now and you know, even before my Tacoma worked with the trailer not anymore.

Sean Philippe: 1:48:48

So that's kind of sad, it's just back to a personal vehicle, except for meetings. You don't need it, no more. No, I need it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:52

What are you talking about. Now I can go make it. I'm going to put big tires on, you're going to go crazy.

Vipul Bindra: 1:48:57

Yeah, exactly, now I can make it because you know it's just meetings and stuff. So maybe right, uh, it may not be hauling gear anymore right, so, but no man tacomas are awesome just so you know I ran this business last few years out of tacoma and so you took all my good. Enough is what I'm saying I guess it gets for corporate work and it's an incredibly reliable vehicle I have nothing to bad to say.

Speaker 3: 1:49:16

Funny, how many miles you got 30, 35 35 000.

Sean Philippe: 1:49:20

Yeah, but it's only a couple of years old. Oh, okay, okay, so it's fairly new, but my car has like 200,000 miles on it and it's still riding. It drives so smooth. What is it again?

Vipul Bindra: 1:49:29

Corolla, oh yeah.

Sean Philippe: 1:49:30

Toyota.

Vipul Bindra: 1:49:31

And that's what I'm saying. I had a Mercedes before then and never again. No-transcript was a brand new car, top-line model, and, uh no, the window would roll, the chrome started and the the trim started to like fade or oxidize or whatever Point is. It wasn't worth it ever again. And I said I bought Tacoma, I've had it obviously only two and a half.

Sean Philippe: 1:50:11

You're going to have that table forever, no problems or change. And that's it man. Nothing, and I don't want to jinx it. Literally nothing and plus.

Vipul Bindra: 1:50:20

I love the community of it.

Sean Philippe: 1:50:21

Again, I love videos, I love the community of it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:50:23

Again. I love videos. I love going to YouTube and being able to. How do I change taillights?

Sean Philippe: 1:50:27

So change, you know, put back taillights, and it's easy to work on yourself. Exactly yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:50:30

And funny enough, I'm not a car guy, but every mod on my Tacoma, I did it myself.

Sean Philippe: 1:50:34

Come on now. It's that easy, man, yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:50:36

Yeah, I put like those devil, oh you did Yourself.

Sean Philippe: 1:50:40

Yeah, yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:50:41

And the taillights. I mean these simple mods. But the tonneau cover. You know, the point is everything I did myself and I'm so surprised that I did that. And if I can do it and I'm not a car person, then I can. Anybody can do it. So, I'm excited, man. When's the Tacoma? When did you join?

Speaker 3: 1:50:59

the family. I love my too.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:00

Yeah, yeah so I'm saying you guys joined the tacoma gang one day.

Sean Philippe: 1:51:03

I because like for me, like I was just looking at my expenses, I'm like I just feel like it's such an unnecessary, like my car drives good and I've gotten this far. If I need to bring that much gear, I'll run a car, true I mean to be really to go.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:15

Toyota's will run forever.

Sean Philippe: 1:51:17

I'm like my friend had. My first car was a uh two, no, 1991 uh toyota celica with like 350,000 miles on it. Wow, I started every morning, drove me to school, drove from West Palm to Orlando. That's crazy.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:30

Well, that's what I was telling my daughter. So she's just eight now.

Sean Philippe: 1:51:33

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:33

So long ways from driving I was like hey, what?

Sean Philippe: 1:51:35

kind of car you want.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:37

No, she slammed the door. Oh really, I was like, hey, don't slam it, you're gonna be driving this one that she's like I'm not gonna drive I was like late, so tacoma it's toyota, it's gonna be here I don't think it's going anywhere and I I usually I swap my cars every few years because, again, I'm not a car guy and I don't want to trust a vehicle that's not reliable. Right, but this is the first one where I'm like I don't see why I have forever changing it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:51:59

You know, I mean a cyber truck, hey what do? You doing, but my, my kid things in. Uh, you know my significant. They think they think it's a freaking cockroach.

Speaker 3: 1:52:09

Yeah so, so, I don't know, I don't see cockroach.

Vipul Bindra: 1:52:12

I see a lot of other things yeah, so I don't want to disappoint anyone. That's why I haven't pulled a plug. Plus, I like my tacoma.

Sean Philippe: 1:52:18

I've had nothing but good I know man, I go to meetings I feel like it's so polarizing yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know, I don't get it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:52:26

I think the tech in it is really cool. The shape is polarizing.

Sean Philippe: 1:52:29

Yeah, the shape, yeah, but see.

Vipul Bindra: 1:52:30

I'm a tech guy so I'm looking at the under the hood all the stuff they did. The specs and everything.

Sean Philippe: 1:52:40

yeah, yeah, the steering and the tech inside, but the shell is still polarizing.

Vipul Bindra: 1:52:44

Yeah, and I don't want to disappoint my family or don't do that be judged by the the public. Right I'm driving, they're like.

Sean Philippe: 1:52:52

I don't know.

Vipul Bindra: 1:52:52

I don't know.

Sean Philippe: 1:52:53

So I plus I'm happy with my Tacoma so I think I'm just going to stick to it one new vehicle is fine with the van right now, and they hold their value too. That's the thing about toyota like yeah, like your tricoma, probably what 30 000, 40, I don't, I haven't looked at it, but I know in the pandemic.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:07

I could have freaking sold it for more money, right so I bought my, my tacoma was like 50 grand with the tax and everything, something like that. I don't remember when I got it yeah I got it during the pandemic, but that's before this so a year later, uh, uh, which, funny enough, that means I've had it like three years anyway it was during. The point is when the car part skyrocketed. People started calling me and they were like we'll give you like 55 or 60 grand for it and I'm like.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:34

I don't know how serious it was either way but point is I was like that's crazy to me that I can get more. Obviously that market is no longer there, but like that I could get more money for my truck than I paid for it.

Vipul Bindra: 1:53:47

Brand new, um, but even now, yeah, it's probably like you said 30, 40, 40 easily holding this back mercedes them things, oh no tank dude, I bought it for same thing 50, 55, brand new. It was like a suv. Yeah, all facts and whatever I sold it like, not even a year, year and a half, like I said, I have bad experience with that and I got half of it. That's what I'm saying and that was lucky, like I went everywhere.

Sean Philippe: 1:54:12

Usually you get in like 20% of what you're paying for.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:15

I was just like wow.

Sean Philippe: 1:54:16

Yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:16

Depreciation is. It's because they're yeah, I mean, I never get like that Is that Toyota game. I've learned my lesson in luxury cars. You know, that's what happens in life, right? You get filing some money.

Speaker 3: 1:54:28

I was like oh, let me buy, Give me a nice car.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:30

Exactly because that's what you know. You hear about German engineers or whatever. Yeah nope, man, I mean. And to be real, German stuff is good, Like I love Chef's microphones.

Sean Philippe: 1:54:46

Yeah, german company, so they make good stuff. It's just mercedes, yeah, mercedes, and I thought mercedes used to be good, but today's mercedes is just not at least my sample size.

Vipul Bindra: 1:54:51

Yeah, I don't know. But no man, I can't wait. Obviously no rush, because, like you said, make smart decisions yeah, I can't wait for you to join tacoma I will be there soon, brother.

Sean Philippe: 1:54:59

That'd be fun anyway, all right.

Vipul Bindra: 1:55:01

So another thing I wanted to ask you was, uh, talk about like family and personal life balance, like work and life balance.

Sean Philippe: 1:55:08

Okay.

Vipul Bindra: 1:55:09

So, you know now that you worked a full year where you made six figures. How do you manage to still give time to your family and to your significant other?

Sean Philippe: 1:55:23

So I'm newly engaged, by the way, yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:55:26

Yeah, I got a fiance. You finally popped the question.

Sean Philippe: 1:55:28

Yeah, last October, you know, got on one knee. You know super nerve wracking and crazy, but that's what's happening now. I think the biggest thing with me and my fiance is that I communicate. You know. So you know, cause industry is so like, it's so random and sporadic. You don't know what days you're going to be working, how often you're going to be working.

Sean Philippe: 1:55:47

So I try to be very communicative. Like, hey, like this week I'm working all week, so I'm not really gonna have time to spend time with you, but I always find time to make time. So I'm trying to be trying to be conscious and make her feel that I'm, um, I'm present and I want to spend time with her. So, like at the beginning of the week, I'm like, hey, I'm working these six days, I'm free Sunday. What time you want to hang out, let's go on a date that day, and then. So the biggest thing is just carving out that time. So, like, even with my family, like we do a once a month like family fun days, so like the whole family gets together, and if we plan that, like I'm booked that day, I'm not booking any jobs, like I just try to at least have that once a month, exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:56:26

That's very smart man. And then I think it also tell me if I'm like a business owner's significant other also is not just can anyone be? Like they have to be able to understand that, like you said, at one moment, you know you could be working six days and then you know two weeks later it's for two weeks, you're home. Right, I'm free. Yeah, exactly, so they have to be able to like balance that.

Sean Philippe: 1:56:48

Yeah, and that's a special person, yeah exactly.

Vipul Bindra: 1:56:51

It can't just be anyone but.

Speaker 3: 1:56:55

I think that's very important though.

Vipul Bindra: 1:56:56

Once you find that person, that is very important to have that. You know that relationship as a support person in your life, right?

Sean Philippe: 1:57:02

Yeah, I know a lot of people like their relationships have been torn apart from just the person's working too hard and they just like I need your energy, I need your attention. It's like in this industry I might not be able to give you attention all the time, especially when you have work.

Vipul Bindra: 1:57:13

right, I gotta work. Yeah, you gotta work. I have to go Exactly. So you Probably in the next three years oh so you already planned it, yeah yeah, planning it all out, I mean the goal— A little comedian, a little funny dude.

Sean Philippe: 1:57:29

I mean I told my fiance I was like if my kid don't laugh like I'll be miserable.

Vipul Bindra: 1:57:33

Yeah, got me cracking jokes all the time. Man with that laugh yeah, you got to have a kid. I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, it soon. Um, yeah, yeah, I got kids.

Sean Philippe: 1:57:48

No, yeah, marriage is coming in november this, so you already set the date. Yeah, november or october. We're like we're still doing on two different days, yeah um, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm all grown up, man, it feels crazy, I know yeah, man, I'm so happy for you.

Vipul Bindra: 1:57:59

Uh, you know, like I said, we met what it's been a few years now I work two years these good amount of projects together too, man, every time it's been just nothing but a blast I'm telling you, you are the funnest guy I can have on set. I mean, I don't know about your stand-up, but on set man, you're incredible can't help it, sorry uh, but no I mean man like for real, like it's incredible energy and, like I said, I'm envious. I'm envious of the energy that you have.

Sean Philippe: 1:58:33

Yeah, I appreciate you.

Vipul Bindra: 1:58:34

And I'm telling people, man, that this is part of it and I wish I had it. I don't have it. So, I have to work harder to you know, to offset the energy that you have and that's a fun personality that you have Cause to be real. Clients want that. They don't want to be surrounded by boring.

Sean Philippe: 1:58:49

Yeah, I mean, you know the corporate world is already so boring, exactly, you know, yeah.

Vipul Bindra: 1:58:55

Yeah, so they need a little bit of yeah. So uh Again especially future endeavors on marriage and everything. Man, keep her, keep her, keep her close.

Sean Philippe: 1:59:06

Keep her close and also, don't forget.

Vipul Bindra: 1:59:08

you know that you pay attention, continue to pay attention to her Because, like you said, our work especially now that you're going to go to 250,.

Sean Philippe: 1:59:15

You're going to go to.

Vipul Bindra: 1:59:15

Mill, you've got to freaking. Going to be busier and busier and busier. But you've got to keep paying your attention, man.

Sean Philippe: 1:59:21

It's very important, but you know that yeah, why do I gotta tell you thank you for reiterating, and you know I'm here, man anything you need ever ask a question or whatever.

Sean Philippe: 1:59:29

I think you got it, but I definitely I, I want to say thank you for the guidance you've given me over over the last year or two, um, just always being like willing to answer questions and be there for us, like it's uh, it's hard to find someone like that's at's willing to, like, you know, be there for people who are coming up. Because when I was coming up, like I said, when I was making $10,000, I was talking to this guy you know what I'm saying Any question I had, he's like yeah, okay, yeah, I'll call you, you'll answer, you know, like, yeah, I got you and see and that I didn't.

Vipul Bindra: 2:00:02

Now I want other people to have that. I don't know why would I keep that to myself? If I've made mistakes, I don't need other. I still need lots of money. I just bought a house.

Sean Philippe: 2:00:11

Oh yeah, never mind, he needs a pedo man. If he needs video, hire Binger Productions. He needs some money.

Vipul Bindra: 2:00:19

Hey, we're not peddling anything on this podcast.

Sean Philippe: 2:00:20

It's a but anyway, but I appreciate it.

Vipul Bindra: 2:00:21

Yes, if you need video, but most people watching this probably want to make videos.

Sean Philippe: 2:00:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Vipul Bindra: 2:00:27

But anyway, but no, I genuinely am like that's been my philosophy man, like I find in life, like I say you share, it comes back Right, I'm happy to share Plus, if I can save you even two months of your life, not wasting on something that doesn't work. It's important, or at least didn't work for me. Yeah, and I can just tell you hey, this worked Right. Yeah, which is exactly what you're doing, which I'm like go meet more people, yeah, tell them what you do Right and then just match it up Actually do it Right, and if you can't do it, bring in people complicated, but you and you're doing it obviously which is why, you found success.

Vipul Bindra: 2:01:02

I mean, I'm watching you guys, so I will take tiny credit, but not a lot I think, you. Just I hope you.

Sean Philippe: 2:01:07

You know I had some part to play in it, but I think it's all you uh, definitely had a because, like for what I, what I, what I do, is like one thing I do. You know who sam walton is? Yeah, so, the founder of walmart. I read his book a while ago and like his big philosophy was like, just take from people who are doing it right, you know. So, like, so he was making Walmarts. I'm going to go to Publix and all these different stores and see what they're doing Right and add that to my store and that's how Walmart got so successful. So I took that same approach with the business and I'm like all right, I'm looking at binger productions and you took me to a chamber of commerce meeting and, uh, was it horizon wherever it was?

Sean Philippe: 2:01:45

yeah, yeah, but yeah, we went over there and I'm like, oh my okay, this is what he's doing. He's meeting people, he's shaking hands. He's oh hey, how's it going, vipo?

Vipul Bindra: 2:01:52

I'm like, oh okay, I'm still in that you know I said and just take all the little and absolutely that's so, that's, and I'm all for it, because go meet people, man, get work, because you know, ultimately I'll tell you this thing, it comes back because guess what, when sean grows bigger than me, you're gonna need a dp or director or whatever. I'm here right so exactly and that's how it is man, it's collaborative, it's it's all friendly. So I'm I'm so happy for you. Now, before we go, anything else you want to ask me or anything and you want to?

Sean Philippe: 2:02:23

add um I guess what? What drives you, what's your drive?

Vipul Bindra: 2:02:30

to be honest, never having to have the job again, so I'll make it quick time for us to end this, but uh you know, like I said, I I I always love video.

Vipul Bindra: 2:02:41

I'll tell my story some other day, but the main thing is is when I started to do freelance, I also had to have a job, obviously right, to pay the bills, and it was miserable. At least I worked for Disney first. Then I went to a different company and that was just miserable because money was fine, right, it paid for all the bills and then I made decent at the end of it because there was commissions and stuff, but I just was miserable. It I just was miserable. It was like the same thing you have to sell, you have to peddle stuff, you have to manage people that don't really want to be there.

Vipul Bindra: 2:03:06

So this was a negative environment. I'm like here's something that makes me happy and here's something that doesn't make me happy, but I'm spending the majority of my time here because this is supposedly paying the bills and making that leap. It was the hardest thing in life to do be like I'm not going to do this job anymore, I'm not going to do anything, I'm just going to, um, do video and I'm going to focus my passion. And then so many people in here you're telling you can't do it or this isn't going to work or whatever. Right, but best thing I ever did so you know what drives me every day.

Vipul Bindra: 2:03:35

Coming back to your answer, just not going back to life. I would rather work 18 hours like today, because you know we were getting the studio ready, I work. I would rather work 22 hours like today, right, barely any sleep, than ever go back to an eight-hour job where I'm miserable because I'm happy, I'm passionate.

Vipul Bindra: 2:03:55

I don't know if you can't tell, but this is what I love. I live and breathe this and this. If I was doing this as a hobby right I'm I was putting all my money into it. I'd rather have this make, make me money and make me be happy. Rather, my opposite is to tone down a little bit, because when I talk to non-video people, I got to be like, not talk about video.

Vipul Bindra: 2:04:13

And that's all I can talk about is video production and cameras and sound and lighting and grip and all this crap or business strategies.

Speaker 3: 2:04:24

And, and you know, sometimes you just gotta dial it back and go like let's go to magic yeah, yeah exactly so.

Vipul Bindra: 2:04:28

So that's, but that's mainly been my driving factor man and then, like I said, like they say it's kind of old saying you know, like love, like find a way to make what you love, make you money right. So and I'm one of the lucky ones that I've figured out how to have a family and you know life and and house and cars or whatever right from something that I love, something that you love and I no longer consider any day work anymore.

Vipul Bindra: 2:04:55

Right, even though I work, I feel like way, way more than I've ever have. Yeah, but it's worth it. So I, I guess I'll continue this, so that retirement is not even a word in my brain. I'll do this as long as I love it, and currently I don't see this love going anywhere and if it ever does then you know, we just figure it out when that role comes.

Sean Philippe: 2:05:11

Yes, sir awesome man.

Vipul Bindra: 2:05:12

Again, thank you for coming in. Any day you're welcome to come back, but thank you and thank you for watching. Appreciate, before we go share people. How can I find you? What's your instagram?

Sean Philippe: 2:05:22

Instagram Badash B-A-D-A-S-H films on Instagram, twitter, youtube all the internet.

Vipul Bindra: 2:05:29

Perfect, we're not selling anything on this podcast but, definitely go follow.

Sean Philippe: 2:05:34

Sean.

Vipul Bindra: 2:05:34

I think he's definitely going to be posting way more than I am. Yeah, I guess, yeah, I am All right, sean, thank you. Thank you for coming, man.

Sean Philippe: 2:05:45

Peace Sweet. Alright, sean, thank you. Thank you for coming, man, peace sweet.